Swindler (Mafia Deception)

[EvilPudding]

Swindler
Mafia Deception

Abilities: Choose two players (can be yourself) Those two players will have their names switched the next day.

Attributes:
-Targets can be blackmailed
-You become mafioso if theres no mafia killing roles

Example:

Player A: Bob, Player B: Katie

You choose Player A and B during the night.

Next day:

Bob (actually Katie): hi
Katie (actually Bob): omg my name got switched

[DestructionII]

Wtf? This role just confirms the presence of itself.

Katie (actually Bob): My name got switched. We probably have a Swindler.. I'm actually Bob guys!
Bob (actually Katie): Mine too! I'm Katie btw!

/nosupport

[EvilPudding]

Are you dumb?

THE PERSON YOU CHOOSE CAN BE BLACKMAILED

[ElderSivart]

Are you dumb?

THE PERSON YOU CHOOSE CAN BE BLACKMAILED

ok but what if a blackmailer doesn't roll
this role is honestly negative utility to the mafia, especially if Spy sees both of its visits.

It's an interesting concept but I just don't see it working well.

[Transcender]

Are you dumb?

THE PERSON YOU CHOOSE CAN BE BLACKMAILED

destruction knows his stuff.


I feel like the role would be better if it was basically a mafia transporter that doesnt give messages and doesnt switch names, so in the days jailor would jail someone who you switched but it would still say the original target's name, same with medium, and can and will carry on to the night.

Basically,

Bob and Jessie get switched
Jailor/Medium/Pirate/Lynch on Bob
Jessie will get Jailed/Talked to by medium/Pirated/Lynched instead.

[Brilliand]

Are you dumb?

THE PERSON YOU CHOOSE CAN BE BLACKMAILED

destruction knows his stuff.


I feel like the role would be better if it was basically a mafia transporter that doesnt give messages and doesnt switch names, so in the days jailor would jail someone who you switched but it would still say the original target's name, same with medium, and can and will carry on to the night.

Basically,

Bob and Jessie get switched
Jailor/Medium/Pirate/Lynch on Bob
Jessie will get Jailed/Talked to by medium/Pirated/Lynched instead.

That would actually be pretty good... overpowered, even.

It takes away the Town's core power of lynching. I'm thinking it should only affect roles with day abilities, not the daily lynch.

[Transcender]

Are you dumb?

THE PERSON YOU CHOOSE CAN BE BLACKMAILED

destruction knows his stuff.


I feel like the role would be better if it was basically a mafia transporter that doesnt give messages and doesnt switch names, so in the days jailor would jail someone who you switched but it would still say the original target's name, same with medium, and can and will carry on to the night.

Basically,

Bob and Jessie get switched
Jailor/Medium/Pirate/Lynch on Bob
Jessie will get Jailed/Talked to by medium/Pirated/Lynched instead.

That would actually be pretty good... overpowered, even.

It takes away the Town's core power of lynching. I'm thinking it should only affect roles with day abilities, not the daily lynch.

woopty scoop that effects barely anything
Its hard to fix a terrible role tbh

[EvilPudding]

Ok but what if you switch a mafia member and town. Plus, people can fake that their names were switched to get someone else lynched, so thats why this role is good

[syjfwbaobfwl]

Ok but what if you switch a mafia member and town. Plus, people can fake that their names were switched to get someone else lynched, so thats why this role is good

Thats as stupid as saying that witch can be used to fake witched and get people hanged

Exe can be used to say the sheriff is fake

Framer can be used to say im framed

Med can be used to say all deads left so you dont have to make a fake claim

Also this role has the same problem than old disguiser, can get other people reported easily

[PleaseReadSiege]

Ok but what if you switch a mafia member and town. Plus, people can fake that their names were switched to get someone else lynched, so thats why this role is good

Also this role has the same problem than old disguiser, can get other people reported easily

Haven't other games like Throne of Lies been able to figure this out though? I thought they currently still have a role that functions like old disguiser, in that you can make another player say things. Just allow trial mods to be able to see when messages are coming from a disguiser, and move the guilty verdict to person actually saying bad stuff. The moderation system not being able to handle something simple like that seems like a bad excuse to get rid of what was a fun role (just needed some tweaking to prevent the problem of people writing names in their wills)