Brilliand wrote:How fast do the stages progress?
And does the stage effect apply the same night the stage advances, or the night after?
DestructionII wrote:When you infect someone, they are killed 2 nights later unless you mutate your parasite.
When you mutate your parasite, you kill your hosts in the order you infected them by night.
Example:
N1- You infect Sara (who is Patient Zero)
N2- Sara visits Bob and infects them.
N3- Sara gets visited by Octillery & Rayna, and visits Rudolph. Sara dies at the end of the night due to Symbiosis Stage 3.
N4- You decide to mutate your parasite this night. Bob dies.
N5- Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph die.
Order of transmission: Sara -> Bob -> Octillery, Rayna, & Rudolph.
Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:When you infect someone, they are killed 2 nights later unless you mutate your parasite.
When you mutate your parasite, you kill your hosts in the order you infected them by night.
Example:
N1- You infect Sara (who is Patient Zero)
N2- Sara visits Bob and infects them.
N3- Sara gets visited by Octillery & Rayna, and visits Rudolph. Sara dies at the end of the night due to Symbiosis Stage 3.
N4- You decide to mutate your parasite this night. Bob dies.
N5- Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph die.
Order of transmission: Sara -> Bob -> Octillery, Rayna, & Rudolph.
But all of those people were going to die that night anyway, due to Symbiosis Stage 3. So what's the point of mutating?
DestructionII wrote:Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:When you infect someone, they are killed 2 nights later unless you mutate your parasite.
When you mutate your parasite, you kill your hosts in the order you infected them by night.
Example:
N1- You infect Sara (who is Patient Zero)
N2- Sara visits Bob and infects them.
N3- Sara gets visited by Octillery & Rayna, and visits Rudolph. Sara dies at the end of the night due to Symbiosis Stage 3.
N4- You decide to mutate your parasite this night. Bob dies.
N5- Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph die.
Order of transmission: Sara -> Bob -> Octillery, Rayna, & Rudolph.
But all of those people were going to die that night anyway, due to Symbiosis Stage 3. So what's the point of mutating?
You are not understanding the mechanics of this role. When Bob gets infected by Sara, he has to undergo the stage of Symbiosis 1, 2, and 3. Not just skip to Stage 3.
When mutation occurs, Bob gets killed REGARDLESS of what Symbiosis stage he is going through. Then, the parasite kills Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph ALL in the next night (even though they have not gone through Symbiosis Stage 3) since that is the order of transmission.
You can decide to mutate your parasite, so that instead of waiting for the hosts to undergo ALL of the stages of Symbiosis to kill them, you can quickly kill them.
Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:When you infect someone, they are killed 2 nights later unless you mutate your parasite.
When you mutate your parasite, you kill your hosts in the order you infected them by night.
Example:
N1- You infect Sara (who is Patient Zero)
N2- Sara visits Bob and infects them.
N3- Sara gets visited by Octillery & Rayna, and visits Rudolph. Sara dies at the end of the night due to Symbiosis Stage 3.
N4- You decide to mutate your parasite this night. Bob dies.
N5- Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph die.
Order of transmission: Sara -> Bob -> Octillery, Rayna, & Rudolph.
But all of those people were going to die that night anyway, due to Symbiosis Stage 3. So what's the point of mutating?
You are not understanding the mechanics of this role. When Bob gets infected by Sara, he has to undergo the stage of Symbiosis 1, 2, and 3. Not just skip to Stage 3.
When mutation occurs, Bob gets killed REGARDLESS of what Symbiosis stage he is going through. Then, the parasite kills Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph ALL in the next night (even though they have not gone through Symbiosis Stage 3) since that is the order of transmission.
You can decide to mutate your parasite, so that instead of waiting for the hosts to undergo ALL of the stages of Symbiosis to kill them, you can quickly kill them.
Let's step through your example...
N1: You infect Sara. (Sara: Stage 1)
N2: Sara infects Bob. (Sara: Stage 2; Bob: Stage 1)
N3: Sara infects Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph. Bob doesn't get anyone. (Sara: Stage 3 DEAD; Bob: Stage 2; Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 1)
N4: The Vector picks MUTATE. No one new is infected. (Bob: Stage 3 DEAD; Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 2)
N5: No one new is infected. (Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 3 DEAD)
This is the exact same death sequence as we would see if the vector never picked MUTATE. So, your example was not very good.
I can think of two ways picking MUTATE could make a difference:
- The Vector picked MUTATE on N2, so no one had time to reach stage 3 (but IMO this would be a bad idea, just like an arsonist igniting N2 is a bad idea)
- A night passed where no one got infected, so the MUTATE kill pattern can skip that night (but this isn't certain to happen, and if it does you've probably won regardless)
DestructionII wrote:Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:Brilliand wrote:DestructionII wrote:When you infect someone, they are killed 2 nights later unless you mutate your parasite.
When you mutate your parasite, you kill your hosts in the order you infected them by night.
Example:
N1- You infect Sara (who is Patient Zero)
N2- Sara visits Bob and infects them.
N3- Sara gets visited by Octillery & Rayna, and visits Rudolph. Sara dies at the end of the night due to Symbiosis Stage 3.
N4- You decide to mutate your parasite this night. Bob dies.
N5- Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph die.
Order of transmission: Sara -> Bob -> Octillery, Rayna, & Rudolph.
But all of those people were going to die that night anyway, due to Symbiosis Stage 3. So what's the point of mutating?
You are not understanding the mechanics of this role. When Bob gets infected by Sara, he has to undergo the stage of Symbiosis 1, 2, and 3. Not just skip to Stage 3.
When mutation occurs, Bob gets killed REGARDLESS of what Symbiosis stage he is going through. Then, the parasite kills Rayna, Octillery, and Rudolph ALL in the next night (even though they have not gone through Symbiosis Stage 3) since that is the order of transmission.
You can decide to mutate your parasite, so that instead of waiting for the hosts to undergo ALL of the stages of Symbiosis to kill them, you can quickly kill them.
Let's step through your example...
N1: You infect Sara. (Sara: Stage 1)
N2: Sara infects Bob. (Sara: Stage 2; Bob: Stage 1)
N3: Sara infects Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph. Bob doesn't get anyone. (Sara: Stage 3 DEAD; Bob: Stage 2; Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 1)
N4: The Vector picks MUTATE. No one new is infected. (Bob: Stage 3 DEAD; Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 2)
N5: No one new is infected. (Octillery, Rayna, Rudolph: Stage 3 DEAD)
This is the exact same death sequence as we would see if the vector never picked MUTATE. So, your example was not very good.
I can think of two ways picking MUTATE could make a difference:
- The Vector picked MUTATE on N2, so no one had time to reach stage 3 (but IMO this would be a bad idea, just like an arsonist igniting N2 is a bad idea)
- A night passed where no one got infected, so the MUTATE kill pattern can skip that night (but this isn't certain to happen, and if it does you've probably won regardless)
Oh, okay. I get what you're saying. But, when Octillery, Rayna, and Rudolph are in Symbiosis Stage 1 and 2, keep in mind that they infect others: who they visit and who visits them (and they also get notified). So, if you decide to mutate your parasite, you can kill who they all visited and their visitors even though the parasite is undergoing a stage apart from Stage 3.
DestructionII wrote:Hmm.. maybe I can make it so that mutation kills those undergoing the Stage 2 phase for that night? To make it less OP, maybe the mutation can have a cooldown?
Seththeking wrote:Hmm this maybe a Good Infector replacement for my server In the Future, not sure.
Then again I could just change Infector to be more probable.
But IMO
This should be a PB replacement turned into Neutral Killing instead of Neutral Chaos.
GMallow wrote:i still dont get it for some reason. can you clarify if that helps...
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