Firefighter (Town Protective)

[Mace8937]

Role Name: Firefighter
Role Alignment: Town Protective
Abilities: Prevent a person to be ignited each night.
Attributes:
You can not be ignited.
You will know if your target was doused or ignited.
Win Conditions:
Wins with Town and Survivors

Goal: Lynch every criminal and evildoer

Investigation Results:
Sheriff-Not Suspicious

Investigator- BG/GF/Arso/FF

Consigliere-Your target saves people from fire. They must be a Firefighter

[Chemist1422]

Can we not

[Mace8937]

Can we not

I see nothing wrong with this role

[Chemist1422]

Can we not

I see nothing wrong with this role

I see something wrong with your eyesight

[Mace8937]

Can we not

I see nothing wrong with this role

I see something wrong with your eyesight

I see that you know nothing about what a quality role looks like

[Jackparrot]

I do not think this would make a good role in-game as it only counters Arso, which does not need countering as it is the weakest role in the game.

/Nosupport

[Mace8937]

I do not think this would make a good role in-game as it only counters Arso, which does not need countering as it is the weakest role in the game.

/Nosupport

Doth VH counter-eth Vampire? I believe 't so. If said role shall be declined, I call out 'Hypocrisy!' to thine rulers in red text names.

[Chemist1422]

Vampire needs to burn tbh

[JacksonVirgo]

Arsonist is already hard to win as so why would you create a role to counter it? If you can answer that, I will support this role. Otherwise, I sadly don't see how this could realistically work.

Thanks

[Mace8937]

Arsonist is already hard to win as so why would you create a role to counter it? If you can answer that, I will support this role. Otherwise, I sadly don't see how this could realistically work.

Thanks

Wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

Arsonist is already hard to win as so why would you create a role to counter it? If you can answer that, I will support this role. Otherwise, I sadly don't see how this could realistically work.

Thanks

Wrong

Very constructive -_-

[Mace8937]

Arsonist is already hard to win as so why would you create a role to counter it? If you can answer that, I will support this role. Otherwise, I sadly don't see how this could realistically work.

Thanks

Wrong

Very constructive -_-

Vampires almost never win, why do they need a counter?

[Soulshade55r]

what are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway this role is wrong because Neutral Killers don't need counters, they are hard to win roles. Arsonist is the hardest NK imo, so nerfing it with this isn't the way to go.

This role is terrible.

I hope this is a troll. owo.

[Descender]

1.I always thought arso was pretty easy when claiming doc.
2.We should extinguish this post for the reasons above.

[Mace8937]

what are you smoking and can I have some.

Anyway this role is wrong because Neutral Killers don't need counters, they are hard to win roles. Arsonist is the hardest NK imo, so nerfing it with this isn't the way to go.

This role is terrible.

I hope this is a troll. owo.

Wouldn't you like to know, weather boy

[Minedodge]

Vampires almost never win, why do they need a counter?

Because vampires can constantly bite new vampires. Without a vampire hunter the town would need to perfectly lynch all vampires perfectly so that they eventually die out.

Arsonist on the other hand is one poor pyromaniac who can't convert others into arsonists.


(Edits are trying to figure out how to quote properly)

[Descender]

Roles Not To Make:

Firefighter - A role built to put out the douses of the Arsonist
Copycat - Any role that uses other role's night abilities
Postmortem Lookout - Any role that can see who visited a dead player
Survivor Rehash - Any Neutral Benign role whose only goal is to survive to the end of the game
Buddy - Any role that requires another specific person to survive to win
Role Swapper - Any role that swaps/changes others' roles
Visitor - Any role that has a win condition involving visiting other players
Silver Bullet - A role that can shoot an evil without finding the evil
Old Spy - Any role that can read the Mafia chat
Necromancer - An evil Retributionist that can revive a dead teammate

What is the first thing on the list.

[Brilliand]

This is weaker than the older Firefighter idea, though, in that it can only save one person during an ignite, not one person every night.

Which just makes it worse, imo.

[Descender]

Does that even matter? Hardcounters arent a good idea

[Mace8937]

Roles Not To Make:

Firefighter - A role built to put out the douses of the Arsonist
Copycat - Any role that uses other role's night abilities
Postmortem Lookout - Any role that can see who visited a dead player
Survivor Rehash - Any Neutral Benign role whose only goal is to survive to the end of the game
Buddy - Any role that requires another specific person to survive to win
Role Swapper - Any role that swaps/changes others' roles
Visitor - Any role that has a win condition involving visiting other players
Silver Bullet - A role that can shoot an evil without finding the evil
Old Spy - Any role that can read the Mafia chat
Necromancer - An evil Retributionist that can revive a dead teammate

What is the first thing on the list.

I don't get it

This is weaker than the older Firefighter idea, though, in that it can only save one person during an ignite, not one person every night.

Which just makes it worse, imo.

This isn't a nerf, it's a well-needed buff so that it can potentially save more than just one

[Brilliand]

This isn't a nerf, it's a well-needed buff so that it can potentially save more than just one

So I misread the role? I thought you said it would save one person from the ignite at the time of the ignite, but now it's sounding like your version removes the douse on the person he visits.

If so, then this is exactly the old role that was put on the old (but stickied) list of "roles not to make", which is kind of hilarious.

For reference, here's where Helicooler got that list that he posted (that he really should have put quote tags around): viewtopic.php?p=2830319#p2830319

[Kombinator1991]

NOPE.

Arso is hard as it is. We don't need to nerf it further by giving a counter role.

[Mace8937]

This isn't a nerf, it's a well-needed buff so that it can potentially save more than just one

So I misread the role? I thought you said it would save one person from the ignite at the time of the ignite, but now it's sounding like your version removes the douse on the person he visits.

If so, then this is exactly the old role that was put on the old (but stickied) list of "roles not to make", which is kind of hilarious.

For reference, here's where Helicooler got that list that he posted (that he really should have put quote tags around): viewtopic.php?p=2830319#p2830319

For reference, I was around when Orangeandblack5 made the original "Roles Not To Make" Post.
Don't cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written.
So heck off I know what I'm doing.

NOPE.

Arso is hard as it is. We don't need to nerf it further by giving a counter role.

Vampires have a counter, give me a reason other than town being shit at finding evils that the game deserves VH

[ElderSivart]

VH was a Kickstarter role.
I don't think many (active) people here on the forums think it's well-balanced.

I certainly don't. It suffers from the same problems Spy had when it could read maf chat and it's a hard-counter, which is just awful.

[Descender]

Spoiler:

This isn't a nerf, it's a well-needed buff so that it can potentially save more than just one

So I misread the role? I thought you said it would save one person from the ignite at the time of the ignite, but now it's sounding like your version removes the douse on the person he visits.

If so, then this is exactly the old role that was put on the old (but stickied) list of "roles not to make", which is kind of hilarious.

For reference, here's where Helicooler got that list that he posted (that he really should have put quote tags around): viewtopic.php?p=2830319#p2830319

For reference, I was around when Orangeandblack5 made the original "Roles Not To Make" Post.
Don't cite the deep magic to me witch, I was there when it was written.
So heck off I know what I'm doing.

NOPE.

Arso is hard as it is. We don't need to nerf it further by giving a counter role.

Vampires have a counter, give me a reason other than town being shit at finding evils that the game deserves VH

Well you should of done a https link.

Vampires are bad. Vampire hunters are bad. Dracula's Palace is basically a confirmed vamp win. The game is a hellscape already and if a firefighter is in the game it confirms there is an arsonist and shouldn't be in the game.

If you really read that post on role ideas you would know about the way you present it.