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fwogcarf wrote:I've actually never seen a Juggernaut in game, so I'd like to see it more.

Like all of these changes, but this can't be in ranked

- After every second successful kill, your current Tier will be lowered by one.

DragonClaw66 wrote:This is a very interesting rework for the Juggernaut. I like it. Lemonader says that because it kills slower than the Serial Killer it is automatically less powerful. In a way, that is kind of true. Killing for the Neutral Killings is more important than deception in pretty much all scenarios. Despite these facts, this would probably be the most entertaining Neutral Killing for players.

This reworked version of the Juggernaut is not underpowered in anyway (it is quite good), but I don't think anything could be on par with the Serial Killer.

Mystoc wrote:

- After every second successful kill, your current Tier will be lowered by one.

should after every second kill attempt, that way TP is rewarded for outplaying you

BasicFourLife wrote:You know what time it is

Brilliand wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:You know what time it is

I think you're gonna have to spell if out for us.

BasicFourLife wrote:Yeah it looks low on KPN, I'm increasing its KPN by making that by changing this part
- After every successful second kill, your tier will be lowered by one.

This increases its KPN all the way up to 0.75

Brilliand wrote:I was expecting some sort of explanation for why you would necro this old thing.

Well, since it's on the front page now, I may as well comment on it...

BasicFourLife wrote:Yeah it looks low on KPN, I'm increasing its KPN by making that by changing this part
- After every successful second kill, your tier will be lowered by one.

This increases its KPN all the way up to 0.75

That's a 0.66 KPN, not a 0.75 KPN. The pattern is Kill-Kill-Boost.

My recommendation: Don't lower the tier at all. The nights spent doing nothing at the start of the game are a high enough price to pay for the added power.

Other than that, it... looks about like the current Juggernaut to me, albeit less swingy. Note that the Rampage ability does a pretty good job of providing Lookout immunity.

BasicFourLife wrote:Rampage is garbage and if you want to argue its goodness, you don’t deserve existence.

Brilliand wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:Rampage is garbage and if you want to argue its goodness, you don’t deserve existence.

Nice argument.

I wasn't arguing its goodness, I was pointing out a similarity. Rampage gives Lookout immunity among its various effects. Astral also does this, and your Investigation immunity also does this. So the Lookout immunity in particular isn't something you changed about the role.

BasicFourLife wrote:

Brilliand wrote:Rampage gives Lookout immunity among its various effects. Astral also does this, and your Investigation immunity also does this. So the Lookout immunity in particular isn't something you changed about the role.

Ok, the Lookout can still survive rampage attacks and astral visits do way more then just LO immunity

Learn how to use quotes wrote:

Brilldumby wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:Rampage gives Lookout immunity among its various effects. Astral also does this, and your Investigation immunity also does this. So the Lookout immunity in particular isn't something you changed about the role.

Ok, the Lookout can still survive rampage attacks and astral visits do way more then just LO immunity

On that note, perhaps this role should have Astral instead of Investigation Immunity? I'm not really happy about it having Spy bug and Psychic immunity; I think it would make more sense for it to have Trapper, Bodyguard and Veteran immunity. (The sheriff immunity should stay, but I'd indicate that with the standard "Detection Immunity" keyword.)

Purely for flavor, though: instead of having the Juggernaut completely hidden from the Lookout, have the Lookout see the words "the Juggernaut" in place of the player's name. Lore-wise, there's no indication that the Juggernaut should be able to hide, though it would make fine sense for him to be unrecognizable as a human. (Heck, maybe the Werewolf should get that sort of lookout immunity too.)

BasicFourLife wrote:im not here for your opinion, all you would do is make the role inconsistent against alignments with affecting some roles and others not in an alignment.

lemonader666 wrote:Brilliand
Writing walls full of soulless words mean nothing, they only make you look pretentious and condescending.
Talk like a normal person for fucks sake

lemonader666 wrote:Better to look human than to look reddit-like

lemonader666 wrote:Plus you love to address the argument by cherry picking too

BasicFourLife wrote:Ok, the Lookout can still survive rampage attacks and astral visits do way more then just LO immunity

He's right. It doesn't completely destroy my point, but it's a valid objection.

BasicFourLife wrote:Astral visits are pretty shit as they counter very very specific roles such as Lookout, Spy, Veteran, Bodyguard but in every category it still has roles which it does not counter Sheriff, Investigator, Doctor, Vigilante (if role doesnt have night immunity).

I did address this, though I didn't quote it. Addressing the sentence before it sufficed.

BasicFourLife wrote:This is why I don't listen to you on these forums, you use fancy words but don't realize what impact they would have on actual gameplay. Now go back into your corner from where you came from

Baseless insults.

lemonader666 wrote:Writing walls full of soulless words mean nothing

I'm really not sure how to evaluate the accusation that my posts are "walls of soulless words". I decided to read it as an expression of dislike rather than a statement of fact.

lemonader666 wrote:they only make you look pretentious and condescending.

Y'know... I wrote a response to this, then deleted it. It didn't seem important enough when you JUST finished accusing me of writing walls... and also, it seemed a bit rude.

But, to summarize: I'll cop to being condescending. Pretentious, I don't think so. Doing things better isn't being pretentious.

lemonader666 wrote:...than to look reddit-like

Okay, what? You apparently use the word "reddit" as something assumed to be horrible by default, and I can't make out why. I didn't learn these habits on Reddit, I learned them on other forums, and Reddit gave me a pretty mixed reaction to it. (All those people posting r/wooosh... gives me PTSD. The mild kind.)

This doesn't really seem worth taking you to task for, which is why I put it here, but... that's what I'm thinking.

BasicFourLife wrote:

Brilliand wrote:

BasicFourLife wrote:You know what time it is

I think you're gonna have to spell if out for us.

that was a bumped post from half a year ago, begone ty