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Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 9:39 am
by BasicFourLife
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:30 am
by dyaomaster
What prevents this Jugg from just charging up nights 1 and 2?
Also, control immunity has no reason to be added.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 11:32 am
by BasicFourLife
dyaomaster wrote:What prevents this Jugg from just charging up nights 1 and 2?
Also, control immunity has no reason to be added.
Each charge up reduces your overall KPN, i just realised this role has 0.2-0.5 KPN overall, I need to buff it
Edit: I’ll add Tier 0 and while in Tier 0 you cannot kill and remove the kill delay. This should balance it out.!
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 3:39 pm
by EvanManManMan
"Alternate between 4 tiers"
Has 5 tiers
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 4:48 pm
by BasicFourLife
EvanManManMan wrote:"Alternate between 4 tiers"
Has 5 tiers
Fixed. Also lol I didn’t knew you looked at RI.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 2:47 pm
by dyaomaster
Why is this rework better than the current Juggernaut?
(I don’t own Coven, so explain it as if I’m an idiot please)
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 3:45 pm
by BasicFourLife
dyaomaster wrote:Why is this rework better than the current Juggernaut?
(I don’t own Coven, so explain it as if I’m an idiot please)
Because current Juggernaut has a mechanic called “rampage”. The same reason Werewolf needs to be replaced with Butcher. Oh yeah that’s not the only problem. If it doesn’t successfully kill n2, it doesn’t get the ability to kill every night meaning it needs to wait until N4. It only gets upgrades if it successfully kills, that’s a bad mechanic to rely around.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:58 pm
by Mystoc
i think this different enough from current juggernaut to be its own role,
the name really doesnt fit now
juggernuat means unstoppable but this is weakened down a level each time it attacks
while current juggernaut just gets stronger
i would suggest renaming this and making it its own role
the role itself is very simalar to butcher it stores kills to get more powerful
clean kills and ramapge kills , while your role gains immunties and more attack power
i think it should only be immune to sheriff at t2, otherwise this role will just
wait till n3 kill and rest and reapeat to be immune to sherrif the whole game
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 7:12 pm
by BasicFourLife
Mystoc wrote:i think this different enough from current juggernaut to be its own role,
Juggernaut is a broken and unbalanced role. This replaces it. the name really doesnt fit now
This fits the Juggernaut concept quite well, 'powering' up. juggernuat means unstoppable but this is weakened down a level each time it attacks
while current juggernaut just gets stronger
Um, it would be broken if it would not go down in tiers if it killed. i would suggest renaming this and making it its own role
the role itself is very simalar to butcher it stores kills to get more powerful
This powers up. Butcher stores and quick/multi-kills. clean kills and ramapge kills , while your role gains immunties and more attack power
I've removed rampage if you saw. i think it should only be immune to sheriff at t2, otherwise this role will just
- You have a Powerful Attack, appear ‘Not Suspicious’ to the Sheriff, undetectable to the Lookout and the Tracker, role block immunity and control immunity while on Tier 2.
wait till n3 kill and rest and reapeat to be immune to sherrif the whole game
That's kind of the point of charging/powering up. If you need to get a quick kill with this, you can always attack in a weaker form.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:46 pm
by Mystoc
remove juggernaut give this a different name, make it replace it not it be a rework there is a difference
im just saying it powering down doesn't fit what a juggernaut it its an unstoppable force that doesn't tire, this clearly gets weaker after it kills balance wise that's good
name wise that's bad the name no longer fits what the role does so rename it was what im trying to say
current juggernaut gets stronger and stronger each kill it never gets weaker it builds momentum , that name fits perfeclty
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about the sherrrif thing it can just choose to kill do this till at least one sherrif dies once the risk of this is gone
staying at t2 t3 range is basically riskless at t3 you ingore TI and TP and t2 you ingore TI so you cant be found while you wait a night
the only risk the game lasting longer but if TI cant find you its basically just scum reading from there and if good enough at bluffing you unkillable
also im surprised you didn't change and give it proper invest results, doesn't invest currently only get juggernaut as a result when it checks it. or do you keep that balance out the power level of this role on purpose
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 11:18 pm
by lemonader666
Isn't this a worse SK?
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sat Jul 28, 2018 1:54 am
by BasicFourLife
Mystoc wrote:remove juggernaut give this a different name, make it replace it not it be a rework there is a difference
im just saying it powering down doesn't fit what a juggernaut it its an unstoppable force that doesn't tire, this clearly gets weaker after it kills balance wise that's good
name wise that's bad the name no longer fits what the role does so rename it was what im trying to say
current juggernaut gets stronger and stronger each kill it never gets weaker it builds momentum , that name fits perfeclty
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about the sherrrif thing it can just choose to kill do this till at least one sherrif dies once the risk of this is gone
staying at t2 t3 range is basically riskless at t3 you ingore TI and TP and t2 you ingore TI so you cant be found while you wait a night
the only risk the game lasting longer but if TI cant find you its basically just scum reading from there and if good enough at bluffing you unkillable
also im surprised you didn't change and give it proper invest results, doesn't invest currently only get juggernaut as a result when it checks it. or do you keep that balance out the power level of this role on purpose
Invest results don’t rlly matter.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 8:45 am
by Seththeking
This is a simple concept of Buff and attack but if you attack it is lowered.
Though I feel like Teir 1 should be more then just Basic Attack I’m thinking also Roleblock Immunity.
Or maybe just Roleblock Immunity on Teir 0.
IDK. Cause RN the way I look at it, it’s a 0.5 - 0.4 - 0.3 KPN. It could be higher with a few changes to make it a 0.7 - 0.8 or 0.9 almost 1KPN.
You could give it a Teir where it Multi kills 2 Players.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
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Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:24 am
by BasicFourLife
Yeah it looks low on KPN, I'm increasing its KPN by making that by changing this part
- After every successful second kill, your tier will be lowered by one.
This increases its KPN all the way up to 0.75
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:26 am
by lemonader666
lemonader666 wrote:Isn't this a worse SK?
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sun Jul 29, 2018 9:28 am
by BasicFourLife
lemonader666 wrote:lemonader666 wrote:Isn't this a worse SK?
it has up to 0.75 KPN but many immunities to compensate for that
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 6:16 am
by lemonader666
BasicFourLife wrote:lemonader666 wrote:lemonader666 wrote:Isn't this a worse SK?
it has up to 0.75 KPN but many immunities to compensate for that
That's like saying arso's douses compensate for it's sk minus 1 kpn
Re: Juggernaut Rework
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Sat Aug 04, 2018 7:29 am
by lemonader666
thanks for ignoring my argument
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Sat Aug 04, 2018 9:13 am
by BasicFourLife
lemonader666 wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:lemonader666 wrote:lemonader666 wrote:Isn't this a worse SK?
it has up to 0.75 KPN but many immunities to compensate for that
That's like saying arso's douses compensate for it's sk minus 1 kpn
They actually do. Arso is immune against all TIs and all TPs giving it unlimited claimspace, safety and guaranteed douses. This role has its own specialities to compensate for that.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
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Fri Aug 31, 2018 3:27 am
by lemonader666
BasicFourLife wrote:lemonader666 wrote:BasicFourLife wrote:lemonader666 wrote:lemonader666 wrote:Isn't this a worse SK?
it has up to 0.75 KPN but many immunities to compensate for that
That's like saying arso's douses compensate for it's sk minus 1 kpn
They actually do. Arso is immune against all TIs and all TPs giving it unlimited claimspace, safety and guaranteed douses. This role has its own specialities to compensate for that.
1. Don't talk about the new arso to me
2. It doesn't compensate anything at all, you're trading kpn rate for stealth, and the longer you don't kill, the easier for you to get caught, so it's practically doesn't matter. It's a weaker SK.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:06 am
by UzayAltay
How can You tier up Except RBed ?
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Wed Sep 05, 2018 9:34 am
by BasicFourLife
UzayAltay wrote:How can You tier up Except RBed ?
Performing no action
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 9:17 am
by BasicFourLife
Bump. I want more feedback on this possibility of a role. I won't settle with less than 2 pages or if I've decided to scrap this idea for its flawed mechanics, which for one I don't seem to be finding. Surely its upgrades need some form of improvement, tuning or changing around and that's why I want feedback.
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:40 pm
by fwogcarf
I've actually never seen a Juggernaut in game, so I'd like to see it more.
Like all of these changes, but this can't be in ranked
Re: Juggernaut Rework
Posted:
Tue Sep 11, 2018 12:49 pm
by BasicFourLife
fwogcarf wrote:I've actually never seen a Juggernaut in game, so I'd like to see it more.
Like all of these changes, but this can't be in ranked
Juggernaut is the worst and most broken NK which needs changes. Just read about it on Wiki if you do not know how it works. Also why couldn't this be in Ranked? As long as the NK spot exists it is a possible NK role to add along Serial Killer, Arsonist and Butcher.