Jester/Exe should be Neutral Chaos!

[GMallow]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.

I mean...?

[fwogcarf]

Just, no. They should stay where they are

[Chemist1422]

/support

This would help balance Ranked, as I often see Jest/Exe helping town after winning, increasing town’s win rate which seems to be a problem.

[EvilPudding]

Just, no. They should stay where they are

You are the worst adjudicator on this forum. From what I have seen from you, all your comments fail to explain very well and you are not very specific in your answer.

This doesn't make any sense
/nosupport

So basically a buffed Psychic - Faction chat
Yeah , no

When there's a goal like "Kill the Jailor", you know that role's going to be terrible

Oh good god we don't need any more roles like this. It literally creates a faction out of nothing (similar to Vampires)

Just, no. They should stay where they are

Just leave this area. FFS.

[Chemist1422]

Just, no. They should stay where they are

You are the worst adjudicator on this forum. From what I have seen from you, all your comments fail to explain very well and you are not very specific in your answer.

Just leave this area. FFS.

Well, that's rude. Care to say something actually related to the topic?

[oOYuuArtSuiOo]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
And most likely majority of the votes will be town and in return, jest kills town. Evils wouldnt vote guilty on a confirmed jester if they have majority since if Town wont lynch jester, they're technically (And if they know that that player is a jester) gamethrowing, kind-of since by not lynching jester, you're giving evils +1 vote power against town.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
And again, this goes well in neut evil since it most likely would plunder town other than evil. And I honestly think this role should be reworked or removed since rng.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.
It's target is town. So obviously this has to stay as evil.

I mean...?

And also don't fuss over and actually explain a little bit or just support someone's opinions. Simple.

[DestructionII]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
And most likely majority of the votes will be town and in return, jest kills town. Evils wouldnt vote guilty on a confirmed jester if they have majority since if Town wont lynch jester, they're technically (And if they know that that player is a jester) gamethrowing, kind-of since by not lynching jester, you're giving evils +1 vote power against town.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
And again, this goes well in neut evil since it most likely would plunder town other than evil. And I honestly think this role should be reworked or removed since rng.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.
It's target is town. So obviously this has to stay as evil.

I mean...?

And also don't fuss over and actually explain a little bit or just support someone's opinions. Simple.

You are literally the dumbest person I've ever seen.

Just because someone's target is town does not mean its alignment is EVIL. Jester and Executioner have win conditions that make them WIN with town, just like a Pirate. ALL NEs have win conditions that make them LOSE with town.

Jester and Executioner do not really belong in any category actually but since NC is like a Neutral Miscellaneous, they should just be put there.

Also, it is HER opinion. She is not supporting anyone's. How the fuck is she "making a fuss"? I actually agree with her. No idea why you are talking to her like that..

[EvilPudding]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
And most likely majority of the votes will be town and in return, jest kills town. Evils wouldnt vote guilty on a confirmed jester if they have majority since if Town wont lynch jester, they're technically (And if they know that that player is a jester) gamethrowing, kind-of since by not lynching jester, you're giving evils +1 vote power against town.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
And again, this goes well in neut evil since it most likely would plunder town other than evil. And I honestly think this role should be reworked or removed since rng.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.
It's target is town. So obviously this has to stay as evil.

I mean...?

And also don't fuss over and actually explain a little bit or just support someone's opinions. Simple.

Lmao.... This kid probably doesn't know what fuss means. XD IM CRYINGGGGG

Why u talking to her like her muther

[BasicFourLife]

Jester needs to be made Neutral Benign, because it does not have a Neutral Evil win condition and acts as a Neutral Benign role which can win with everyone. Neutral Evil goal is "Survive to see the Town lose." It needs to be identical for all Neutral Evils for consistency reasons. That's why Executioner does not belong to Neutral Evil also, and needs an overhaul.

[Seththeking]

Then WTF is Coven going to have as the NE?

Might as well Change NE to NC for Coven Rank
And NE to Witch in Normal Ranked


Or you know, they could add some TG NE roles like Stalker and Gossiper.

[DestroyerR225]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
And most likely majority of the votes will be town and in return, jest kills town. Evils wouldnt vote guilty on a confirmed jester if they have majority since if Town wont lynch jester, they're technically (And if they know that that player is a jester) gamethrowing, kind-of since by not lynching jester, you're giving evils +1 vote power against town.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
And again, this goes well in neut evil since it most likely would plunder town other than evil. And I honestly think this role should be reworked or removed since rng.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.
It's target is town. So obviously this has to stay as evil.

I mean...?

And also don't fuss over and actually explain a little bit or just support someone's opinions. Simple.

You are literally the dumbest person I've ever seen.

Just because someone's target is town does not mean its alignment is EVIL. Jester and Executioner have win conditions that make them WIN with town, just like a Pirate. ALL NEs have win conditions that make them LOSE with town.

Jester and Executioner do not really belong in any category actually but since NC is like a Neutral Miscellaneous, they should just be put there.

But how do you know that NE’s goal needs to be like Witch to be “true NE”? Maybe the correct definition of NE’s goal is that it usually hurts Town, but not necessarily? Seriously, 2/3 of the NE roles in the game are Jester and Exe, there is not nearly enough examples from the game to back the claim that NE’s only goal should be “survive to see the Town lose”

[BasicFourLife]

It's goal is similar to the Pirates. You have to achieve a certain goal. Plus, I believe this role does cause chaos.

Jester= Get yourself lynched.
And most likely majority of the votes will be town and in return, jest kills town. Evils wouldnt vote guilty on a confirmed jester if they have majority since if Town wont lynch jester, they're technically (And if they know that that player is a jester) gamethrowing, kind-of since by not lynching jester, you're giving evils +1 vote power against town.
Pirate= Plunder 2 people.
And again, this goes well in neut evil since it most likely would plunder town other than evil. And I honestly think this role should be reworked or removed since rng.
Executioner= Get your target lynched.
It's target is town. So obviously this has to stay as evil.

I mean...?

And also don't fuss over and actually explain a little bit or just support someone's opinions. Simple.

You are literally the dumbest person I've ever seen.

Just because someone's target is town does not mean its alignment is EVIL. Jester and Executioner have win conditions that make them WIN with town, just like a Pirate. ALL NEs have win conditions that make them LOSE with town.

Jester and Executioner do not really belong in any category actually but since NC is like a Neutral Miscellaneous, they should just be put there.

But how do you know that NE’s goal needs to be like Witch to be “true NE”? Maybe the correct definition of NE’s goal is that it usually hurts Town, but not necessarily? Seriously, 2/3 of the NE roles in the game are Jester and Exe, there is not nearly enough examples from the game to back the claim that NE’s only goal should be “survive to see the Town lose”

It isn't written down on paper that it has to be that way, but if you want a good balanced Ranked environment it HAS to be that way.
Reminder on what Neutral Evil roles should be:

Neutral Evil: Any Neutral Evil role should be capable of winning with everybody except the Town, and their attributes and/or abilities should directly harm the Town. Any role that fits these criteria should go here. A Neutral Evil role shouldn't be able to kill anybody, as that brings it too close to a Mafia or Neutral Killing role in function. Also try to avoid making a Neutral Evil role that has a special goal aside from harming the Town, as the game's balance could suffer as a result.

[DestructionII]

But how do you know that NE’s goal needs to be like Witch to be “true NE”? Maybe the correct definition of NE’s goal is that it usually hurts Town, but not necessarily? Seriously, 2/3 of the NE roles in the game are Jester and Exe, there is not nearly enough examples from the game to back the claim that NE’s only goal should be “survive to see the Town lose”

It isn't written down on paper that it has to be that way, but if you want a good balanced Ranked environment it HAS to be that way.
Reminder on what Neutral Evil roles should be:

Neutral Evil: Any Neutral Evil role should be capable of winning with everybody except the Town, and their attributes and/or abilities should directly harm the Town. Any role that fits these criteria should go here. A Neutral Evil role shouldn't be able to kill anybody, as that brings it too close to a Mafia or Neutral Killing role in function. Also try to avoid making a Neutral Evil role that has a special goal aside from harming the Town, as the game's balance could suffer as a result.

So you are saying that because Exes and Jesters can be in ranked, ranked is unbalanced and unfun? I’m not in a good position to argue with you about that, since I don’t actually play the game, but from the ranked games I’ve watched (YouTube and such) Exes and Jesters are not exactly a major problem.

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Jester and Executioner both win with town. NE's should not win with town. That is the problem. Therefore, it should be NC since it can go in either direction: harm or aid the town.

[DestroyerR225]

I already stated that there is no backup for the claim that NEs should not be able to win with Town. See my previous comment:

But how do you know that NE’s goal needs to be like Witch to be “true NE”? Maybe the correct definition of NE’s goal is that it usually hurts Town, but not necessarily? Seriously, 2/3 of the NE roles in the game are Jester and Exe, there is not nearly enough examples from the game to back the claim that NE’s only goal should be “survive to see the Town lose”

[Soulshade55r]

Yes I hate the Neutral Benign reworks of them so this is a much better idea
I rather have Neutral Deception then chaos but it wouldn't ever be used in the first place, also roles like Framer would need to get some major buffs before they remove exe/jester