Spy (Rework)

[Soulshade55r]

Spy (Town Investigative)
Attack: None Defence: None
Summery: A talented watcher who keeps track of evil in the Town.

Abilities:
-You may bug a player's house to see what happens to them that night, You will also learn if they Interacted with a Mafia/Coven Member (Was visited by or visited)

Attributes:
-If no coven or Mafia are alive you will learn If a someone Interacted with a Neutral role

[spoiler]New Messages:
Your Target Target Interacted with a Member of the Mafia!
Your Target Interacted with a Member of the Coven!
Your Target Interacted with a Outsider!

Framer effects:
If you Bug a player that is visited by a framed player or that player visited the framed player they will show up as Mafia.

Covens hex master newist hexes target will have the same effect but not targets that where hexes only the person currently being hexed


Nerf - Now can't tell if someone was visited by a mafia or they visited they only know it was one of the two.

[fwogcarf]

What do you mean by outsider

[DragonClaw66]

What do you mean by outsider

A Neutral.

[BasicFourLife]

I'd remove Spy, thank you very much.

[Soulshade55r]

I'd remove Spy, thank you very much.

Why

[DragonClaw66]

I'd remove Spy, thank you very much.

Why

Because the Spy is overpowered. This version of the Spy is overpowered as well. Did they visit an "Outsider", Mafia, or Coven? Ask who they visited. It's powerful with a Lookout as well because the Spy knows what visited while the Lookout knows who.

[Soulshade55r]

I'd remove Spy, thank you very much.

Why

Because the Spy is overpowered. This version of the Spy is overpowered as well. Did they visit an "Outsider", Mafia, or Coven? Ask who they visited. It's powerful with a Lookout as well because the Spy knows what visited while the Lookout knows who.

So is Sheriff powerful, this role takes more skill to play then current spy, you have to think of a person who will be visiting Mafia

[GuardianOverkill]

I like the idea of giving spy something to do if the mafia is dead, but knowing who the person they bug visits would require less skill not more skill since they would be essentially bugging two people for the price of one.

[KingArmaan]

This basically gives spy lookout and tracker's abilities, but its good as it is.

[Soulshade55r]

This basically gives spy lookout and tracker's abilities, but its good as it is.

Spy isn't a good role it doesn't take skill to play just like psychic

I like the idea of giving spy something to do if the mafia is dead, but knowing who the person they bug visits would require less skill not more skill since they would be essentially bugging two people for the price of one.

Spy doesn't require any skill because you just do nothing and watch Mafia having multiple spy's are useless.

Also Tracker and Lookout are a lot different it's Bassically a Sheriff mixed with Lookout and Tracker.

[DemonicKraken]

I once tried making a role like this.

It basically adds the powers of an OP sheriff to another role.

/nosupport

[fwogcarf]

I would support if you would make this role unique, if it already isn't

[GuardianOverkill]

Spy doesn't require any skill because you just do nothing and watch Mafia having multiple spy's are useless.

Also Tracker and Lookout are a lot different it's Bassically a Sheriff mixed with Lookout and Tracker.

Wrong. Every role requires skill. Watching the mafia is not the skill part of the Spy. It is bugging people and what the spy does what the information they know.

[Soulshade55r]

Spy doesn't require any skill because you just do nothing and watch Mafia having multiple spy's are useless.

Also Tracker and Lookout are a lot different it's Bassically a Sheriff mixed with Lookout and Tracker.

Wrong. Every role requires skill. Watching the mafia is not the skill part of the Spy. It is bugging people and what the spy does what the information they know.

Bugging is so useless lmao. The only use for it is those rare times when Godfather or Sk attack each other

[GuardianOverkill]

You clearly don't seem to be trying very hard then. I, myself, have used and have seen bugging used to be extremely influential in-game. One example being to narrow down who the witch is by seeing who the witch has already controlled. It can be quite powerful in the right hands.

[Soulshade55r]

You clearly don't seem to be trying very hard then. I, myself, have used and have seen bugging used to be extremely influential in-game. One example being to narrow down who the witch is by seeing who the witch has already controlled. It can be quite powerful in the right hands.

People will claim witched.... I don't don't know what your point even is?

[GuardianOverkill]

That's because you are garbage at conversation. I don't see what your point is, other than how garbage you are at talking.

Also, people claiming witched does not even makes sense and would not work because spy would only reveal this information when they know for sure who witch is because they will know who witch is controlled.

[Soulshade55r]

That's because you are garbage at conversation. I don't see what your point is, other than how garbage you are at talking.

Also, people claiming witched does not even makes sense and would not work because spy would only reveal this information when they know for sure who witch is because they will know who witch is controlled.

I'm really not garbage at conversation your whole lower sentence made none sense

[Soulshade55r]

That's because you are garbage at conversation. I don't see what your point is, other than how garbage you are at talking.

Also, people claiming witched does not even makes sense and would not work because spy would only reveal this information when they know for sure who witch is because they will know who witch is controlled.

Not everyone’s first language is English. Mocking someone’s speaking style is biased, arrogant, ignorant, and incompetent.

I repeat:

Only change necessary to be a Spy and not a Spoi is for removal of the old spoi attribute.

I'm English just suffer from dyslexia but thanks

[Jackparrot]

Hmmm, maybe remove where you know if they visited a mafia/coven role? Seems a little op, but other wise, mostly fine

[GuardianOverkill]

Not everyone’s first language is English. Mocking someone’s speaking style is biased, arrogant, ignorant, and incompetent.

I wasn't mocking his English you jackass. You are the biased, arrogant, ignorant, incompetent one for even suggesting such a thing. I was pointing out that he is a complete idiot who does not understand the points people make despite how clear they are, BUT he pretends that he is able to. He is the worst type of person to have a conversation with because instead of actually making points all he does is pretend to not know what is being said to him.

[Soulshade55r]

Not everyone’s first language is English. Mocking someone’s speaking style is biased, arrogant, ignorant, and incompetent.

I wasn't mocking his English you jackass. You are the biased, arrogant, ignorant, incompetent one for even suggesting such a thing. I was pointing out that he is a complete idiot who does not understand the points people make despite how clear they are, BUT he pretends that he is able to. He is the worst type of person to have a conversation with because instead of actually making points all he does is pretend to not know what is being said to him.

Someones very toxic.

Your point was bugging isn't useless but It's VERY useless I have not once seen bugging do anything Important.

Get off your high-horse

[GuardianOverkill]

Yeah, you are toxic, thanks for admitting it. If any one is on a high horse it is you. Take a good look at yourself.

Just because you haven't seen it, does not make it something that isn't happening.

You made this what it is.

[oliy]

Stop with the personal insults and focus on the role given, you're just derailing the thread. Take the issue to DMs if you feel it's necessary.

[GuardianOverkill]

1. Your first post in a thread should not be telling us what to do.
2. We are also talking about the role idea.

If you dislike our method of conversation, please lock the thread or leave us be.