Overseer: Town Support (replacing Spy)

[BasicFourLife]

This role confirms Town roles too easily.

- TI should be a role which a player to learn something about THEM not what happens against them or the effects.
- Your role doesn't get any information about them, just the fact that if they are lying about some effect or not which hinders evils a lot.

1. You need to move this role to TS, because this is a TI role not a TS.
2. You need to heavily nerf not to make it inclaimable by Evils, easily confirming every Town role and countering evils.

Lookout is balanced.

How does this make any sense with what he said???

[ZedKiller13]

This role confirms Town roles too easily.

- TI should be a role which a player to learn something about THEM not what happens against them or the effects.
But it's Town Support?
- Your role doesn't get any information about them, just the fact that if they are lying about some effect or not which hinders evils a lot.
Uhhh but it's Town Support, and to minimize it....you can't confirm anyone really other than select TI roles but at the same time there is no way to confirm YOU either.
1. You need to move this role to TS, because this is a TI role not a TS.
...what?
2. You need to heavily nerf not to make it inclaimable by Evils, easily confirming every Town role and countering evils.

But it's extremely easy for evils to claim and still have ways to be falsely "confirmed" due to the layout of the role.

I'm literally confused on all of these responses.

[ZedKiller13]

Actually, because it's visits are Astral, it's actually nerfed itself as it can't be confirmed via Lookouts, which sucks if that's the only TI available.

[ZedKiller13]

Bump? I just like seeing thoughts.

[ZedKiller13]

Easy to confirm yourself, I can see something occuring like that taking into account if they just reveal quickly and some TI role reveals themself to have visited their target, but on that note, thinking about it it's so easy to do it. If a TI role reveals themself, any evil can just claim they watched that person and got the TI result, and you basically have a "confirmed" evil. Only way it can be disproven is with multiple results, but then again, Townies love revealing their wills and it puts more thought on wills themselves to see who did what. gain, the other issue with confirmability is you get one result for a specific thing, even if three Sheriffs check one person, you get one result for it and technically anyone can claim it with no backdraw other than a Lookout, but on that note the Lookout has to choose the same guy. With Jailor meta they usually won't, and even then without it there isn't much reason to do so. Sure, an Overseer/Lookout combo is a GREAT thing, but you have to take into effect that only one TS slot exists, and that can be chosen by anything else, while RT has lots of possibilities.

This role basically removes any opposition onto the Mafia and thereby prevents any actions on being seen. So, nobody is watching who the Mafia visit and their chat. Seeing Mafia and Coven visits are a major painstaker, more onto the Mafia side. Since you can easily confirm Random Mafia, then just track down claims of their investigative results. Without that, you use more actual thought and information regarding wills and testimonies, instead of a simple: "Ok mafia visited bob and just bob, no mafia kills. bob is immune, lynch him."