fwogcarf wrote:Very interesting mechanic going on here. I'd like to see just a few more town roles and then this role would be good. This should probably have a max amount of charges that it can use.
Element83 wrote:i mean its pretty straight forward and nothing is concerning me but why the bite immune?
other than that its a pretty good role
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Pirz wrote:Two questions:
Regarding bite immunity, why would he be bite immune? Witches you can argue are immune because they're magical spell casters.. why would a regular person be immune?
Regarding their abilities, why would you make psychic see two good roles on even days? Wouldn't you make even days see at least one bad role? You're Neutral Evil, after all. You're trying to get the town killed, not help them.
After those two questions are answered, please see to below.
What about the other NE roles, as well as NK, NB, and Coven? You will run into those.
Also, I personally think making the mafia roles see jester on everything is a little pointless. Like, for the consig I would make it give him one random role that he's already seen in the game, and if it's N1 targeted, he still gets to know his actual target's role. Disguiser could appear as jester, instead of mafioso (making him immune to sheriff, but still lynchable in regards of an investigator).
SERVAT wrote:It’s a pretty good concept, I have to give you that. However, I think you’ve made it a bit too complex, cuz there’s no way I’m going to remember each function it has for each role it gets. TBH I think it should have some kind of framing ability instead of random results. For example, as investigator make his target be framer/vamp/jest cuz vig/vet/mafioso makes no sense.
Other proposed changes:
Sheriff: Always see his target as mafia.
Lookout: No results/randomly chose 1 player.
Spy: Only see killing visitors(and forger+Janitor)
Witch/Consig/PM: shouldn’t have an effect since they are allies lmao
Disguiser/Janitor/Forger:Same as above
As a vigilante, VH, sk or mafioso you make actions but you don’t really receive results, so it shouldn’t do anything.
Only visit your first target.
Make it mystical barrier not autovest.
Element83 wrote:Just noticed that i made a similar role too this its the Mysophob XDDDD
Anyway you have a slight typo where you have 2 invest results so yea xD
Djaouida wrote:Definitely a very interesting role concept. I'd like to see it in the Testing Grounds sometime and potentially in the main game.
Can't really find anything to criticize. Either because they've all been taken by someone else or I cannot think of any. (Or both)
Cinba wrote:cmoooon guys i need suggestions and feedback on this role, btw dont forget to vote
SkyW wrote:Cinba wrote:cmoooon guys i need suggestions and feedback on this role, btw dont forget to vote
Just because you typed like this I won't be doing anything with this role.
Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Invest would make his target appear as Vigi/Vet/Maf
- Targeting a Sheriff would make his target appear as Maf if he was Not Suspect, or Not Suspect if he was Maf, SK, WW, etc
- Targeting a LookOut will make him see only one of the visitors of that target (Except you)
- Targeting a Spy will make him see the mafioso, GF and the maf killed target to be visited
- Targeting a Tracker will make he see his target visit him
Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Witch/Coven Leader, Consig, Potion Master will make his target appear as Jester
- Targeting a Disguiser will make him disguise as a Jester, no matter who he targeted
- Targeting a Janitor will make him see the cleaned person role as Jester and his Last Will will be erased
- Targeting a Forger will make his forged will appear as blank will
- Targeting any role with killing abilities (Mafioso, Sk, Vigi, etc.) that attacked a immune role will not let him see the "Your target was immune!" message, but if the target was healed they will receive the message
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Invest would make his target appear as Vigi/Vet/Maf
- Targeting a Sheriff would make his target appear as Maf if he was Not Suspect, or Not Suspect if he was Maf, SK, WW, etc
- Targeting a LookOut will make him see only one of the visitors of that target (Except you)
- Targeting a Spy will make him see the mafioso, GF and the maf killed target to be visited
- Targeting a Tracker will make he see his target visit him
So a shittier version of DragonClaw66's framer reworkCinba wrote:- Targeting a Witch/Coven Leader, Consig, Potion Master will make his target appear as Jester
- Targeting a Disguiser will make him disguise as a Jester, no matter who he targeted
- Targeting a Janitor will make him see the cleaned person role as Jester and his Last Will will be erased
- Targeting a Forger will make his forged will appear as blank will
- Targeting any role with killing abilities (Mafioso, Sk, Vigi, etc.) that attacked a immune role will not let him see the "Your target was immune!" message, but if the target was healed they will receive the message
Negative Utility
Shit role, can it.
Cinba wrote:Its not a shittier version, mine does more things
Cinba wrote:and you dont need to target the person who they targeted
Cinba wrote:and the negative utility is because he needs to think about who to target or he could end up messing with Mafia, the same thing happens with the Witch
Cinba wrote:lol, it looks like you hate every role on this forum
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:Its not a shittier version, mine does more things
Half of those things can count as gamethrowingCinba wrote:and you dont need to target the person who they targeted
Claw's framer affects multiple people and is a mafia role and roles like this aren't strong enough to be NECinba wrote:and the negative utility is because he needs to think about who to target or he could end up messing with Mafia, the same thing happens with the Witch
Neutral Evils are supposed to help scum, not hurt them.
Cinba wrote:If i took those things out, the Sociopath wouldn't fear hurting their allies more than help them,
Cinba wrote:althrough the NE needs to help the scum roles, if they dont play it smart they can end up hurting them more than the Town, like the Witch (as i said), if the Witch plays very poor he can end up making the Maf kill themselves, make the Janitor waste a cleaning, etc
Cinba wrote:At least my role wont force them to waste their actions.
Cinba wrote:The Framer can only choose someone to be framed and another one to be the focused person, if he is real lucky, he can make 3 or 4 people to see their results wrong, but that is only if he is REALLY lucky, and this is not too weak, it cant affect some roles, but it can do something to all the TI roles and they won't know they have been manipulated, causing mislynchs and not letting them see their targets real results.
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:If i took those things out, the Sociopath wouldn't fear hurting their allies more than help them,
Gamethrowing is against the rules. Well done.
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:althrough the NE needs to help the scum roles, if they dont play it smart they can end up hurting them more than the Town, like the Witch (as i said), if the Witch plays very poor he can end up making the Maf kill themselves, make the Janitor waste a cleaning, etc
Keyword: very poor.
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:The Framer can only choose someone to be framed and another one to be the focused person, if he is real lucky, he can make 3 or 4 people to see their results wrong, but that is only if he is REALLY lucky, and this is not too weak, it cant affect some roles, but it can do something to all the TI roles and they won't know they have been manipulated, causing mislynchs and not letting them see their targets real results.
Mafia Deceptions need to be weaker than Neutral Evils, and this role is literally a weaker version of DragonClaw's Framer Rework which is in TG now if I'm correct, not to mention the fact that it doesn't come close to how powerful Witch is.
Cinba wrote:Seriously? you really used the "People will gamethrow" argument? Man i expected more from you
This role by no way incentivates gamethrowing, there is no bonus for you to target mafia members deliberately, if someone wants to gamethrow or not, it depends on how retarted the person is, after all, there is even a way to gamethrow as a Civilian, mate,
Cinba wrote:I forgot to add that if you choose people at random that also happens
Cinba wrote:it is not so weak, if there isnt a Witch confirmed (or any other NE) this means people will always be paranoic about having a Sociopath in the game, even if he was not in play people would still not know if their results were wrong or not, until they discover the real NE, of course, and if he is in the game, he can choose a person to affect directly, you dont need to get lucky and hope that a Invest or Sheriff will be on your target
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:Seriously? you really used the "People will gamethrow" argument? Man i expected more from you
This role by no way incentivates gamethrowing, there is no bonus for you to target mafia members deliberately, if someone wants to gamethrow or not, it depends on how retarted the person is, after all, there is even a way to gamethrow as a Civilian, mate,
No you absolute fucking bafoon, half of the roles' abilities are literally breaking the no gamethrowing rule
lemonader666 wrote:Cinba wrote:it is not so weak, if there isnt a Witch confirmed (or any other NE) this means people will always be paranoic about having a Sociopath in the game, even if he was not in play people would still not know if their results were wrong or not, until they discover the real NE, of course, and if he is in the game, he can choose a person to affect directly, you dont need to get lucky and hope that a Invest or Sheriff will be on your target
>if there isn't a Witch confirmed
Do you know how dumb that post is? Witch is currently the most confirmable NE in the game and TG.
also Framer > This role and Witch > Framer therefore Witch > This role
Cinba wrote:Gamethrowing is the act of trying to lose, not to win, now, does this role make YOU try to lose? This role incentivates you to target maf so that you lose? No, by thus it's not gamethrowing, mate, this is to make so you use actual skills to see who is a friggin Maf so that you dont target them
Cinba wrote:But anyway, are you only suggesting i take out those abilities?
Cinba wrote:... Did you even understand it? i was saying people would always fear for a Sociopath until the NE is confirmed, dwerp.
Besides that, explain how framer is better, you never said why he was, Framer needs to target someone they think will be investigated and if they get lucky maybe they can get a mislynch, but the Sociopath targets a role he thinks is a TI and the results will be changed for whoever he visited, the Sociopath as a lot more chance to actually help
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