The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(2900+ views)

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Should the Sociopath buff Mafia, Nks, etc.

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The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(2900+ views)

Postby Cinba » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:21 pm

Name: Sociopath
Attack: None|Defense: None

Alignment: Neutral Evil

Abilities:
Choose someone at night to Manipulate their results

Attributes:
- Choose someone at night to change their results
- Targeting a Invest would make his target appear as Vigi/Vet/Maf (TG results TBA)
- Targeting a Sheriff would make his target appear as Maf if he was Not Suspect, or Not Suspect if he was Maf, SK, WW, etc
- Targeting a LookOut will make him see only one of the visitors of that target (In a order, TI, TP, TS, TK, MI, MD, MS, MK, NB, NE, NK. You won't be seen)
- Targeting a Spy will make him see only the maf killed target to be visited (2 times if he was cleaned, but only 1 time if forged)
- Targeting a Tracker will make he see his target visit himself (the Tracker)
- Targeting a Psychic will make him see 1 good role on odd nights, and 2 good roles on even nights
- Targeting a Vigilante that attacked a immune role will not let him see the "Your target was immune!" message, but if the target was healed they will receive the message
- Targeting a Doctor will not let his healed target know if he was attacked (The Doc would know if his target was attacked)
- Targeting the Medium won't let him chat with the dead the night after, but he can still see the dead's chat (could change)
- Targeting a Trapper will not let him see the correct role of whoever stepped on his trap (that night only and won't change anything if he kills someone)
- Targeting a Jailor will convince him not to execute his target
- If you target a Bodyguard when a Bodyguard and an evil role interact, no one dies (You and the evil role will be noticed, but not the BG)
- Targeting a Escort will make him RB the Sociopath instead
- Targeting a Transporter won't notify his targets they were transported

- Scum roles will know when a Sociopath visits them, but won't know his name
- You will visit both your target and your target target's
- Your target will not know he was Manipulated
- You will not know your target role

Special Attributes:
- 1 Auto-Vest
- RB immune

Priority: First priority

Investigative Results:
Sheriff: Your target is not suspicious
Invest: Invest/Consig/Mayor/Tracker/Plaguebearer/Sociopath
Witch and Consigliere: Your target manipulates those around him, he must be the Sociopath!
If you activate a Trapper's trap, you will appear as a Tracker
TG Results:
Invest: TBA

Messages:
Someone tried to kill the Bodyguard target, but you convinced the Bodyguard not to kill him
A Bodyguard was at your target house but a Sociopath stopped him from killing you!
You were visited by a Sociopath this night

Goal: See the Town lose

You must kill the Town
You win with the Mafia
You win with the Serial Killers
You win with the Arsonists
You win with the Werewolves
You win with the Witches
You win with Survivors
You may spare anyone else

Lore: The Sociopath was never really normal. He possessed an astounding amount of wit from a very young age, yet his teachers would always complain about how he was relentless in his distraction of the other students, failing test after test despite having the potential to surpass all in his class. His mother blamed it on the disappearance of his father, stating that it had left him with a copious amount of emotional trauma, but the young boy was very aware that the reason he never applied himself was because he took a great amount of joy in disrupting the flow of his monotonous day-to-day life.

It wasn't until he was inevitably kicked out of his school that things really escalated. The boy, now in his late-teens, found himself on the wrong side of the law - although this did nothing but excite him. He had always suspected that the Jailor played a large part in the disappearance of his father, so he made it his mission to make sure that the Jailor was never able to end the life of another innocent again, dissuading him from executing his prisoners through a variety of notes in which he posed as members of the Mafia. One thing lead to another, and the sociopath found himself not only meddling in the Jailor's affairs, but with the entire policing body of the town.

On a night no more unusual than any other, he slipped into the Jailor's shack on the edge of the town, forged papers in hand. However, he was met with a grizzly sight. The Jailor lay in a pool of his own blood, with the door to his holding cell having been ripped to pieces by what the man could only consider to have been some kind of superhuman. Reaching down towards the Jailor, the Sociopath quickly recoiled as what he had previously thought to be a corpse twitched. He watched intently. There it was again, another twitch. Steeling himself, the maniac reached down once again and retrieved the Jailor's gun from his severed arm. Sensing movement, the Jailor looked up at him, taking in his final breaths. The man's eyes widened as he realised who stood before him; it was unmistakbly the child of the man whom he had controversially executed on account of arson all those years ago.

Cocking the gun, the Sociopath placed it against the head of his father's killer, finger itching to pull the trigger. "Is this because of what I did to your father?" The Jailor whispered, quietly fading into oblivion. "No" The Sociopath responded, putting his figure to the trigger. "I never really liked him".[/quote]
Credits to Cut

Achievements:
Let me help you: Win a game as a Sociopath
I am good like you!: Win 5 games as a Sociopath
Sociopathy: Win 10 games as a Sociopath
(i need a name for this one): Win 25 games as a Sociopath
Trust me: Manipulate someone
Mafia? What Mafia?: Make a Sheriff see a Mafia member as not suspect
Brothers in knifes: Win with a Serial Killer
Look at him!: Make a LO only see one visitor
No, i am not a Sociopath: Trigger a Trapper trap

Last polls results:
Spoiler: Do you think this is a good role?

Yes: 8 - 42% of total votes
No, Its OP: 1 - 5% of total votes
With some adjustments it could be a good role: 6 - 32% of total votes
No, its UP: 2 - 11% of total votes
Just no, this is horrible: 2 - 11% of total votes
Total votes : 19

Should this role have a night action or a day action?
Night action: 11 - 73% of total votes
Day action: 4 - 27% of total votes


Hope you guys like it this time, i am looking for feedback as always :mrgreen:
Remenber to tell if you like the Maf, NK, and Etc. buffs, i also don't know if i will make Coven results
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby fwogcarf » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:19 am

Very interesting mechanic going on here. I'd like to see just a few more town roles and then this role would be good. This should probably have a max amount of charges that it can use.
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:19 pm

fwogcarf wrote:Very interesting mechanic going on here. I'd like to see just a few more town roles and then this role would be good. This should probably have a max amount of charges that it can use.


uhn, i dont know if it should have charges, but i will add a poll just in case a lot of people think this, BTW, if you have any suggestions for other roles to be added just say it, cause i just had ideas from the roles that constantly get a night feedback

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Eeeeh, still lookin' for feedback
And you know guys, remenber to vote in the poll

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so, any feedback? cmon guys, can't make good changes to this if nobody comments
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby fwogcarf » Tue May 01, 2018 1:01 pm

bump
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Thu May 03, 2018 12:19 pm

So, nothing yet? No feedback? Nothing?
Cmon guys, a thing cant get better if no one makes suggestions or comments
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Element83 » Thu May 03, 2018 12:37 pm

i mean its pretty straight forward and nothing is concerning me but why the bite immune?
other than that its a pretty good role
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Thu May 03, 2018 2:51 pm

Element83 wrote:i mean its pretty straight forward and nothing is concerning me but why the bite immune?
other than that its a pretty good role
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Good to see you support it :D
And, you know, for the same reason the Witch is bite immune.

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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Pirz » Fri May 04, 2018 7:45 pm

Two questions:
Regarding bite immunity, why would he be bite immune? Witches you can argue are immune because they're magical spell casters.. why would a regular person be immune?

Regarding their abilities, why would you make psychic see two good roles on even days? Wouldn't you make even days see at least one bad role? You're Neutral Evil, after all. You're trying to get the town killed, not help them.

After those two questions are answered, please see to below.

What about the other NE roles, as well as NK, NB, and Coven? You will run into those.

Also, I personally think making the mafia roles see jester on everything is a little pointless. Like, for the consig I would make it give him one random role that he's already seen in the game, and if it's N1 targeted, he still gets to know his actual target's role. Disguiser could appear as jester, instead of mafioso (making him immune to sheriff, but still lynchable in regards of an investigator).
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Fri May 04, 2018 8:47 pm

Pirz wrote:Two questions:
Regarding bite immunity, why would he be bite immune? Witches you can argue are immune because they're magical spell casters.. why would a regular person be immune?

Regarding their abilities, why would you make psychic see two good roles on even days? Wouldn't you make even days see at least one bad role? You're Neutral Evil, after all. You're trying to get the town killed, not help them.

After those two questions are answered, please see to below.

What about the other NE roles, as well as NK, NB, and Coven? You will run into those.

Also, I personally think making the mafia roles see jester on everything is a little pointless. Like, for the consig I would make it give him one random role that he's already seen in the game, and if it's N1 targeted, he still gets to know his actual target's role. Disguiser could appear as jester, instead of mafioso (making him immune to sheriff, but still lynchable in regards of an investigator).



Eh, maybe you're right about the bite immune, goin to change that

As for the Psychic, he gets a good role and a bad role on even nights, so since he would not be alerted about being manipulated, he would think he still got a bad and a good role, so when one of them dies, he would get the other one lynched because he was presumed to be a evil role, but the other one would be good too, and them the town would doubt the Psychic was real and lynch him, or at least stop believing him

Well, for the Coven, i could make the Witch/CL and PM get a incorrect role for their target, for NK and anyone with a killing ability not see the "Your target was immune" message do that it could look like if they were healed by a Doc, but that would be unlikable, for the NE, i could make the Jester visit someone at random if targeted, but idk what to do to the Exes, and i also think there is no need to anything to happen to the NB, they barely do anything, after all, and for the Arso, i could make him receive a message that he was doused, but it would be pretty useless on Ranked

For the Maf, i am still considering your Consig suggestion, but i dont know if i will add it, and the Disg suggestion is pretty useless, since the Sheriff sees a disguised Disg no matter what role he disguised as, the only thing that changes is the Invest result, but still maybe i could add it, i guess its better than disguising as a Mafioso

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so? anyone got feedback? cmon guys, i think this is (or could be) a good role, cmon, give me some feedback
damn, i dont understand how other people get more feedback

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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Element83 » Fri May 11, 2018 9:18 am

Just noticed that i made a similar role too this its the Mysophob XDDDD
Anyway you have a slight typo where you have 2 invest results so yea xD
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby SERVAT » Fri May 11, 2018 11:56 am

It’s a pretty good concept, I have to give you that. However, I think you’ve made it a bit too complex, cuz there’s no way I’m going to remember each function it has for each role it gets. TBH I think it should have some kind of framing ability instead of random results. For example, as investigator make his target be framer/vamp/jest cuz vig/vet/mafioso makes no sense.

Other proposed changes:

Sheriff: Always see his target as mafia.
Lookout: No results/randomly chose 1 player.
Spy: Only see killing visitors(and forger+Janitor)
Witch/Consig/PM: shouldn’t have an effect since they are allies lmao
Disguiser/Janitor/Forger:Same as above

As a vigilante, VH, sk or mafioso you make actions but you don’t really receive results, so it shouldn’t do anything.

Only visit your first target.

Make it mystical barrier not autovest.
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Fri May 11, 2018 1:47 pm

SERVAT wrote:It’s a pretty good concept, I have to give you that. However, I think you’ve made it a bit too complex, cuz there’s no way I’m going to remember each function it has for each role it gets. TBH I think it should have some kind of framing ability instead of random results. For example, as investigator make his target be framer/vamp/jest cuz vig/vet/mafioso makes no sense.

Other proposed changes:

Sheriff: Always see his target as mafia.
Lookout: No results/randomly chose 1 player.
Spy: Only see killing visitors(and forger+Janitor)
Witch/Consig/PM: shouldn’t have an effect since they are allies lmao
Disguiser/Janitor/Forger:Same as above

As a vigilante, VH, sk or mafioso you make actions but you don’t really receive results, so it shouldn’t do anything.

Only visit your first target.

Make it mystical barrier not autovest.


Eh, i guess its a little bit complex, but its not that much, first of all, the Vigi/Vet/Maf result is not random, its to really counfound the Invest about who is really a TK and who is not, cause if it was the Framer/Vamp/Jest result it would be very obvious that there would be either a Sociopath or a Framer, besides that the Sociopath would then need to be along in the Framer/Vamp/Jest result

Well, i wanted to make the Sheriff see the bad roles as NS so that the Sociopath could actually help more, you know, make the Sheriff wonder if that guy is really NS or if a Sociopath has manipulated you

This already happens if you target the LO

Well, i dont know about the Spy thing, but then, my suggestion can end up causing more harm than good...

You know, this is like this so that the Sociopath tries not to mess up with the Maf, just like Witch, if you chose the wrong person you can end up making the Maf waste a cleaning or a forgery, or you could even end up fuc@ing the Maf so good it ends up with a Mafioso dead due to your fault, so you need to watch out for what you do

Well, i guess that the VH thing is not needed, but not sending the "Your target was immune" mesage can still cause some confusion

If he only visits the first target, how could he know what he did and how to manipulate him?

I am pretty sure a mystical barrier is almost the same thing as a auto-vest

Element83 wrote:Just noticed that i made a similar role too this its the Mysophob XDDDD
Anyway you have a slight typo where you have 2 invest results so yea xD


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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Djaouida » Fri May 11, 2018 2:00 pm

Definitely a very interesting role concept. I'd like to see it in the Testing Grounds sometime and potentially in the main game.
Can't really find anything to criticize. Either because they've all been taken by someone else or I cannot think of any. (Or both)
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Fri May 11, 2018 2:59 pm

Djaouida wrote:Definitely a very interesting role concept. I'd like to see it in the Testing Grounds sometime and potentially in the main game.
Can't really find anything to criticize. Either because they've all been taken by someone else or I cannot think of any. (Or both)


Ha, thanks for your support!
I was already thinking about submitting this role to the TG, guess i will do it now, remenber to vote on him if he gets accepted :D

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cmoooon guys i need suggestions and feedback on this role, btw dont forget to vote
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby SkyW » Thu May 17, 2018 1:59 pm

Cinba wrote:cmoooon guys i need suggestions and feedback on this role, btw dont forget to vote


Just because you typed like this I won't be doing anything with this role.
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Thu May 17, 2018 2:43 pm

SkyW wrote:
Cinba wrote:cmoooon guys i need suggestions and feedback on this role, btw dont forget to vote


Just because you typed like this I won't be doing anything with this role.


damn, but did you find the role good?

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i still need feedback guys, any suggestions?
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby lemonader666 » Fri May 18, 2018 10:13 pm

Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Invest would make his target appear as Vigi/Vet/Maf
- Targeting a Sheriff would make his target appear as Maf if he was Not Suspect, or Not Suspect if he was Maf, SK, WW, etc
- Targeting a LookOut will make him see only one of the visitors of that target (Except you)
- Targeting a Spy will make him see the mafioso, GF and the maf killed target to be visited
- Targeting a Tracker will make he see his target visit him

So a shittier version of DragonClaw66's framer rework

Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Witch/Coven Leader, Consig, Potion Master will make his target appear as Jester
- Targeting a Disguiser will make him disguise as a Jester, no matter who he targeted
- Targeting a Janitor will make him see the cleaned person role as Jester and his Last Will will be erased
- Targeting a Forger will make his forged will appear as blank will
- Targeting any role with killing abilities (Mafioso, Sk, Vigi, etc.) that attacked a immune role will not let him see the "Your target was immune!" message, but if the target was healed they will receive the message

Negative Utility

Shit role, can it.
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Sat May 19, 2018 2:52 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Invest would make his target appear as Vigi/Vet/Maf
- Targeting a Sheriff would make his target appear as Maf if he was Not Suspect, or Not Suspect if he was Maf, SK, WW, etc
- Targeting a LookOut will make him see only one of the visitors of that target (Except you)
- Targeting a Spy will make him see the mafioso, GF and the maf killed target to be visited
- Targeting a Tracker will make he see his target visit him

So a shittier version of DragonClaw66's framer rework

Cinba wrote:- Targeting a Witch/Coven Leader, Consig, Potion Master will make his target appear as Jester
- Targeting a Disguiser will make him disguise as a Jester, no matter who he targeted
- Targeting a Janitor will make him see the cleaned person role as Jester and his Last Will will be erased
- Targeting a Forger will make his forged will appear as blank will
- Targeting any role with killing abilities (Mafioso, Sk, Vigi, etc.) that attacked a immune role will not let him see the "Your target was immune!" message, but if the target was healed they will receive the message

Negative Utility

Shit role, can it.


its not a shittier version, mine does more things, and you dont need to target the person who they targeted, but the role itself, and the negative utility is because he needs to think about who to target or he could end up messing with Mafia, the same thing happens with the Witch
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat May 19, 2018 3:35 am

Cinba wrote:Its not a shittier version, mine does more things

Half of those things can count as gamethrowing
Cinba wrote:and you dont need to target the person who they targeted

Claw's framer affects multiple people and is a mafia role and roles like this aren't strong enough to be NE
Cinba wrote:and the negative utility is because he needs to think about who to target or he could end up messing with Mafia, the same thing happens with the Witch

Neutral Evils are supposed to help scum, not hurt them.
Cinba wrote:lol, it looks like you hate every role on this forum

I only hate shit ones
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)

Postby Cinba » Sat May 19, 2018 2:58 pm

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:Its not a shittier version, mine does more things

Half of those things can count as gamethrowing
Cinba wrote:and you dont need to target the person who they targeted

Claw's framer affects multiple people and is a mafia role and roles like this aren't strong enough to be NE
Cinba wrote:and the negative utility is because he needs to think about who to target or he could end up messing with Mafia, the same thing happens with the Witch

Neutral Evils are supposed to help scum, not hurt them.


If i took those things out, the Sociopath wouldn't fear hurting their allies more than help them, althrough the NE needs to help the scum roles, if they dont play it smart they can end up hurting them more than the Town, like the Witch (as i said), if the Witch plays very poor he can end up making the Maf kill themselves, make the Janitor waste a cleaning, etc. At least my role wont force them to waste their actions.
The Framer can only choose someone to be framed and another one to be the focused person, if he is real lucky, he can make 3 or 4 people to see their results wrong, but that is only if he is REALLY lucky, and this is not too weak, it cant affect some roles, but it can do something to all the TI roles and they won't know they have been manipulated, causing mislynchs and not letting them see their targets real results.

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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(500+ views)

Postby lemonader666 » Tue May 22, 2018 8:38 pm

Cinba wrote:If i took those things out, the Sociopath wouldn't fear hurting their allies more than help them,

Gamethrowing is against the rules. Well done.
Cinba wrote:althrough the NE needs to help the scum roles, if they dont play it smart they can end up hurting them more than the Town, like the Witch (as i said), if the Witch plays very poor he can end up making the Maf kill themselves, make the Janitor waste a cleaning, etc

Keyword: very poor.
Cinba wrote:At least my role wont force them to waste their actions.

yeah, that's going to balance the gamethrowing part of the role out.
Cinba wrote:The Framer can only choose someone to be framed and another one to be the focused person, if he is real lucky, he can make 3 or 4 people to see their results wrong, but that is only if he is REALLY lucky, and this is not too weak, it cant affect some roles, but it can do something to all the TI roles and they won't know they have been manipulated, causing mislynchs and not letting them see their targets real results.

Mafia Deceptions need to be weaker than Neutral Evils, and this role is literally a weaker version of DragonClaw's Framer Rework which is in TG now if I'm correct, not to mention the fact that it doesn't come close to how powerful Witch is.
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(500+ views)

Postby Cinba » Thu May 24, 2018 2:48 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:If i took those things out, the Sociopath wouldn't fear hurting their allies more than help them,

Gamethrowing is against the rules. Well done.


Seriously? you really used the "People will gamethrow" argument? Man i expected more from you
This role by no way incentivates gamethrowing, there is no bonus for you to target mafia members deliberately, if someone wants to gamethrow or not, it depends on how retarted the person is, after all, there is even a way to gamethrow as a Civilian, mate,

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:althrough the NE needs to help the scum roles, if they dont play it smart they can end up hurting them more than the Town, like the Witch (as i said), if the Witch plays very poor he can end up making the Maf kill themselves, make the Janitor waste a cleaning, etc

Keyword: very poor.


I forgot to add that if you choose people at random that also happens

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:The Framer can only choose someone to be framed and another one to be the focused person, if he is real lucky, he can make 3 or 4 people to see their results wrong, but that is only if he is REALLY lucky, and this is not too weak, it cant affect some roles, but it can do something to all the TI roles and they won't know they have been manipulated, causing mislynchs and not letting them see their targets real results.

Mafia Deceptions need to be weaker than Neutral Evils, and this role is literally a weaker version of DragonClaw's Framer Rework which is in TG now if I'm correct, not to mention the fact that it doesn't come close to how powerful Witch is.


it is not so weak, if there isnt a Witch confirmed (or any other NE) this means people will always be paranoic about having a Sociopath in the game, even if he was not in play people would still not know if their results were wrong or not, until they discover the real NE, of course, and if he is in the game, he can choose a person to affect directly, you dont need to get lucky and hope that a Invest or Sheriff will be on your target
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(500+ views)

Postby lemonader666 » Thu May 24, 2018 5:03 am

Cinba wrote:Seriously? you really used the "People will gamethrow" argument? Man i expected more from you
This role by no way incentivates gamethrowing, there is no bonus for you to target mafia members deliberately, if someone wants to gamethrow or not, it depends on how retarted the person is, after all, there is even a way to gamethrow as a Civilian, mate,

No you absolute fucking bafoon, half of the roles' abilities are literally breaking the no gamethrowing rule
Cinba wrote:I forgot to add that if you choose people at random that also happens

key word: random
Cinba wrote:it is not so weak, if there isnt a Witch confirmed (or any other NE) this means people will always be paranoic about having a Sociopath in the game, even if he was not in play people would still not know if their results were wrong or not, until they discover the real NE, of course, and if he is in the game, he can choose a person to affect directly, you dont need to get lucky and hope that a Invest or Sheriff will be on your target

>if there isn't a Witch confirmed
Do you know how dumb that post is? Witch is currently the most confirmable NE in the game and TG.
also Framer > This role and Witch > Framer therefore Witch > This role
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(500+ views)

Postby Cinba » Thu May 24, 2018 11:12 am

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:Seriously? you really used the "People will gamethrow" argument? Man i expected more from you
This role by no way incentivates gamethrowing, there is no bonus for you to target mafia members deliberately, if someone wants to gamethrow or not, it depends on how retarted the person is, after all, there is even a way to gamethrow as a Civilian, mate,

No you absolute fucking bafoon, half of the roles' abilities are literally breaking the no gamethrowing rule


Gamethrowing is the act of trying to lose, not to win, now, does this role make YOU try to lose? This role incentivates you to target maf so that you lose? No, by thus it's not gamethrowing, mate, this is to make so you use actual skills to see who is a friggin Maf so that you dont target them
But anyway, are you only suggesting i take out those abilities?

lemonader666 wrote:
Cinba wrote:it is not so weak, if there isnt a Witch confirmed (or any other NE) this means people will always be paranoic about having a Sociopath in the game, even if he was not in play people would still not know if their results were wrong or not, until they discover the real NE, of course, and if he is in the game, he can choose a person to affect directly, you dont need to get lucky and hope that a Invest or Sheriff will be on your target

>if there isn't a Witch confirmed
Do you know how dumb that post is? Witch is currently the most confirmable NE in the game and TG.
also Framer > This role and Witch > Framer therefore Witch > This role


... Did you even understand it? i was saying people would always fear for a Sociopath until the NE is confirmed, dwerp.
Besides that, explain how framer is better, you never said why he was, Framer needs to target someone they think will be investigated and if they get lucky maybe they can get a mislynch, but the Sociopath targets a role he thinks is a TI and the results will be changed for whoever he visited, the Sociopath as a lot more chance to actually help
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Re: The Sociopath (Neutral Evil)(500+ views)

Postby lemonader666 » Thu May 24, 2018 3:23 pm

Cinba wrote:Gamethrowing is the act of trying to lose, not to win, now, does this role make YOU try to lose? This role incentivates you to target maf so that you lose? No, by thus it's not gamethrowing, mate, this is to make so you use actual skills to see who is a friggin Maf so that you dont target them

oh my god you're retarded
Gamethrowing means intentionally trying to lose/hurting your team's chance of winning, and this role can win with mafia, so this is mechanical gamethrowing.
Cinba wrote:But anyway, are you only suggesting i take out those abilities?

No
Cinba wrote:... Did you even understand it? i was saying people would always fear for a Sociopath until the NE is confirmed, dwerp.
Besides that, explain how framer is better, you never said why he was, Framer needs to target someone they think will be investigated and if they get lucky maybe they can get a mislynch, but the Sociopath targets a role he thinks is a TI and the results will be changed for whoever he visited, the Sociopath as a lot more chance to actually help

>Fear for a sociopath
>Fear
Framer is better because IT DOESN'T GAMETHROW MECHANICALLY AND DOES THE SAME THING(NEs have to be stronger than most alignments)
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