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Convener(Town Power) (Reworked)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:46 pm

Name: Convener

Alignment: Town Power

Attack: None
Defense: None

Unique?: Yes

Priority: 1st

Ability:
-At night, divide the town into 2 equal/near-equal seperate groups for the following day.(No idea on how the town should be divided, maybe by when people joined the lobby?)

Attributes:
-You can only use your ability once.
-You can not use your action on the first night.
-Everyone can not interact with the group they aren't on that day nor can they know who is in their group
-The player that got voted first in either group will be put on trial and no other trials can happen that day.

Special attributes:
-The groups must either have an equal amount of players(if even amount of players) or have a group that has 1 player less than the other group(if odd amount of players).
Additional information:

Goal: Lynch every criminal and evildoer.

Win conditions: Town, Survivor, Pirate and Guardian Angel

Investigative results:
Sheriff: Your target is not suspicious.
Investigator(ToS): Your target could be a Sheriff, Convener, Executioner, Werewolf, or Poisoner.
Investigator(TG): idk
Consigliere: [Insert flavour text], they must be a Convener.

Misc:
Spoiler: Flavour text: /shrug
Lore: /shrug
Achievements: /shrug


Thanks to HTE for helping me with a kinda big portion of the role(and purple + poptart but they only helped with the name)
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby Mystoc » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:51 pm

Yea racist defiantly cant be a possible name for this role , you would have people roleplaying calling other people all bad kind of names

edit what about calling it the revolutionary?

i don't fully understand the voting part

-The player that has the most votes by the end of the voting phase will be put on trial and be voted by the group that voted them on while other group will get extra discussion time.


so one group can vote the other does nothing? how's it decided which group is the one allowed to vote
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:26 pm

Mystoc wrote:edit what about calling it the revolutionary?

Is this some communism shit

Mystoc wrote:i don't fully understand the voting part

yeah it's kinda confusing

Mystoc wrote:so one group can vote the other does nothing? how's it decided which group is the one allowed to vote

So when it's voting phase everyone can vote someone else that is in their group only, and when the phase is over, the person with the most votes out of both groups will be put on trial and will only be voted guilty/innocent by the people in the group they are in.

Mystoc wrote:defiantly

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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby Mystoc » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:42 pm

nope it definitely doesn't mean that

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/revolutionary


So when it's voting phase everyone can vote someone else that is in their group only, and when the phase is over, the person with the most votes out of both groups will be put on trial and will only be voted guilty/innocent by the people in the group they are in.


which group do you vote in when the role?

this is definitely meh early game and defiantly overpowered late game, since you can know who is what role most times late game and can put the right people in certain groups

i'm dyslexic deal with it you know what i meant to say focus on the feedback not my spelling, if you cant my feedback isn't for you
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:50 pm

Mystoc wrote:nope it definitely doesn't mean that

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/revolutionary

ok but i don't see how that has anything to do with dividing

Mystoc wrote:which group do you vote in when the role?

Both, you'll be able to switch between the two chats
lemonader666 wrote:-Everyone can not interact with the group they aren't in that day, except for you.


Mystoc wrote:i'm dyslexic deal with it you know what i meant to say focus on the feedback not my spelling, if you cant my feedback isn't for you

oh shit you have dyslexia sorry dude
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby KingoftheRocks » Sat Feb 24, 2018 11:59 pm

lemonader666 wrote:Orange means I'm not sure if it should stay

Name: Convener/Divisive/Racist
)No racist.
Alignment: Town Power/Town Scout/Neutral Evil/Mafia Support/Coven Evil/Neutral Chaos
)As this seems to counter Town the most, probably a NE.
Attack: None
Defense: None(Basic if NE)
)Yup.At least an Autovest.
Unique?: Semi.(Amnesiac can remember this role)
)Seems pretty op. Voting is town main power, and taking it away more then once can doom it completely.
Priority: 1st

Ability:
-At night, divide the town into 2 seperate groups for the following day.
)Mayor should be immune from this. Why? Otherwise, evils could lynch a proven townie on day 4, which is extremly powerful.

Attributes:
-You can only do this once.(Can be twice if it's still not strong enough)
)Unless the erson playing this is either an idiot or uses it secondt nigt, once should be more then enough.
-The groups must either have an equal amount of players(if even amount of players) or have a group that has 1 player less than the other group(if odd amount of players).
-You can not use your action on the first night.
-Everyone can not interact with the group they aren't in that day, except for you.
(And mayor.
-The player that has the most votes out of both groups by the end of the voting phase will be put on trial and be voted by the same group that voted that player while other group will get extra discussion time.
-In the events of a tie between two groups, no one will be put on trial and instead the day ends.
)I like this.
-In the events of a tie between two players in 1 group, the most voted player in the other group will be put on trial instead.
-Mafia and Coven members can still chat together even if they aren't in the same group that night.
-Everyone can only use their action the people that are in their group that night.

Special attributes:
Depends on the alignment

Additional information:
When you divide, you pick the players you want in 1 group and then the rest will be in the other group. If there are an odd number of players, you will pick for the group that will have less players in it.

Goal: Umm what

Win conditions: Umm what

Investigative results: I'll do this later

Misc:
Spoiler: Flavour text: /shrug
Lore: /shrug
Achievements: /shrug


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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 3:35 am

KingoftheRocks wrote:)No racist.

no u

KingoftheRocks wrote:)As this seems to counter Town the most, probably a NE.

yeah but it's kinda weak as scum IMO

KingoftheRocks wrote:)Seems pretty op. Voting is town main power, and taking it away more then once can doom it completely.

I'll make a poll for it

KingoftheRocks wrote:)Mayor should be immune from this. Why? Otherwise, evils could lynch a proven townie on day 4, which is extremly powerful.

Thatsthepoint.jpg
I ain't giving mayor that buff
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby BasicFourLife » Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:59 am

This is extremely unbalanced and easily confirmable role. It takes away Towns freedom of voting, and splits them. It can literally decide the whole game by themselves.
I am kindly telling you to fuck off mate.

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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:20 am

BasicFourLife wrote:This is extremely unbalanced and easily confirmable role. It takes away Towns freedom of voting, and splits them. It can literally decide the whole game by themselves.

Well yeah look at it's alignment
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby Segaco » Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:28 am

Lemon u sux
How am i supposed to answer the questions in the poll if i can only vote for one option
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby KingoftheRocks » Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:20 am

lemonader666 wrote: thatsthepoint.jpg
i ain't giving mayor another buff

a)Mayor has buffs?
b)Unless at the time of writing this, it was changed to a NC, this becomes the evil version of a Retribrokenist, being a weak role that no one has fun playing, and an extremely powerful role (that unless he knows enough all the evil roles) NO ONE has fun playing against. Meanwhile, you could be an exe or jester, who can use strategy toget their target lynched (and get a indirect nerf from this role most of the time), or even Witch, who controls and investigates people, can directly wreak havoc for the town. Want to know why no one would like to be this role? The 'thatsthepoint.jpg' is an extremly annoying role to play both as and against.
c)I mean a revealed Mayor shouldn't either be an option to be voted on, but can't vote either. It's not a buff, more a balancing act.
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BasicFourLife wrote:This is extremely unbalanced and easily confirmable role. It takes away Towns freedom of voting, and splits them. It can literally decide the whole game by themselves.

Well yeah look at it's alignment

If this is a NC now, then thats a whole new kettle of fish. NCs need to at least have concise win condiions, because:
Survivor: Claim you're going to activate, then do.
With town: Ability is counterproductive.
Mafia/Coven: You can't find out who they are, and can't talk to them to see when and who'll it will have the most use. You could even get one of your 'allies' lynched.
Just Neutrals: They don't have enough voting power at basically any time, so this can help them. You still don't know who they are.
Also, If only you (and not mayor, even revealed) can interact with both groups, it's a dead give away for who to target the nex night if the voting didn't help you.

All in all, an alignment is never an excuse for a role that can easily confim, is underbalaced in every possible alignment, a role that no one likes playing or working against. It'll get the same stigma as Ret. Do we need another of those types of roles?
KingoftheRocks wrote:also of course my combat trial
would end up f***ing a fire slime and become a half reptile
and being won
by giving a slime couple relationship counseling

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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby simpson210 » Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:45 am

Concept is interesting but this would be game-breakingly overpowered late game. Voting and talking is pretty much town's only weapon so poking this weapon is very dodgy and can lead to this role being structure-breaking.

/halfsupport, Really nice idea but needs a nerf.
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Re: Convener/Divisive/Racist

Postby lemonader666 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:50 am

Segaco wrote:Lemon u sux
How am i supposed to answer the questions in the poll if i can only vote for one option

Sorry I changed now

KingoftheRocks wrote:a)Mayor has buffs?

No I was just being an idiot

KingoftheRocks wrote:b)Unless at the time of writing this, it was changed to a NC, this becomes the evil version of a Retribrokenist, being a weak role that no one has fun playing, and an extremely powerful role (that unless he knows enough all the evil roles) NO ONE has fun playing against.

>evil version of a Retribrokenist
>evil
This role is nothing like ret concept-wise

>weak
>extremely powerful

>no one has fun playing
>NO ONE has fun playing against
Who balances around fun-ness?

KingoftheRocks wrote:I mean a revealed Mayor shouldn't either be an option to be voted on, but can't vote either. It's not a buff, more a balancing act.

Buff a broken overpowered piece of shit? Why should I?

KingoftheRocks wrote:If this is a NC now, then thats a whole new kettle of fish. NCs need to at least have concise win condiions, because:
Survivor: Claim you're going to activate, then do.
With town: Ability is counterproductive.

I'm not making it NC FYI

KingoftheRocks wrote:Mafia/Coven: You can't find out who they are, and can't talk to them to see when and who'll it will have the most use.

What???

KingoftheRocks wrote:You could even get one of your 'allies' lynched.

Then just put you and your allies together it's not that hard

KingoftheRocks wrote:Just Neutrals: They don't have enough voting power at basically any time, so this can help them. You still don't know who they are.

I can give it a side ability if it becomes NE

KingoftheRocks wrote:All in all, an alignment is never an excuse for a role that can easily confim, is underbalaced in every possible alignment, a role that no one likes playing or working against. It'll get the same stigma as Ret. Do we need another of those types of roles?

But it can be TPow as town and how is it underbalanced

simpson210 wrote:Concept is interesting but this would be game-breakingly overpowered late game. Voting and talking is pretty much town's only weapon so poking this weapon is very dodgy and can lead to this role being structure-breaking.

/halfsupport, Really nice idea but needs a nerf.

What about removing it's ability to also affect nighttime?
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:35 am

Bump number 2
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby BS4125 » Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:06 am

Please do not spam and make sure your posts are constructive to the topic at hand. The posts in question have been deleted.
Also, please justify your point of view, whether it be positive or negative, so the author knows what aspects are good and which need improving.

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Oooooooo Mister Power over here!

And would you look at that, I was on the forums longer then you.

But overall the role for this topic needs work, I mean it's so bad people would rather
get off topic lol.

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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby BasicFourLife » Thu Mar 29, 2018 10:29 am

The problem with this role is, that it is a bit complicated and unnecessary. Also this role is incredibly underpowered. I can't see how this group trial is any different from normal voting time. And it can use its ability only once which is just, bad. Sorry, no support still.
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Apr 07, 2018 8:30 am

BasicFourLife wrote:The problem with this role is, that it is a bit complicated

TL;DR town is divided into 2 groups that can't interact which each other for 1 day

BasicFourLife wrote:and unnecessary

Is any role necessary?

BasicFourLife wrote:Also this role is incredibly underpowered.

Really? I thought that it was too strong

BasicFourLife wrote:I can't see how this group trial is any different from normal voting time.

So?

BasicFourLife wrote:And it can use its ability only once which is just, bad

I don't even
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby SlightlyOfficiant » Sat Jun 23, 2018 9:48 am

Pros:- Group thing...
Cons: - "Way to confusing for me"
Best Case Scenario: Evils get chosen to be lynched
Worst Case Scenario: Town gets chosen to be lynched
Overall Impression: This isn't bad however I don't like the concept.
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby DestroyerR225 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 2:02 pm

lemonader666 wrote:Is any role necessary?


Aren’t you the same one who told me to “go back to Wikia” in my Stalker role, because I said that I don’t make roles based on whether they are needed to answer your claim that “this role isn’t needed”?
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Re: Convener(Town Power?)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Jun 23, 2018 8:51 pm

DestroyerR225 wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:Is any role necessary?


Aren’t you the same one who told me to “go back to Wikia” in my Stalker role, because I said that I don’t make roles based on whether they are needed to answer your claim that “this role isn’t needed”?

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