sunbird1002 wrote:2 current issues.
1. Allow it to heal scum. No reason why it shouldn't. I don't like that nowadays roles can't any wrong. If some roles were made for today, witch wouldn't be able to kill mafia with other roles, Doctors wouldn't heal their targets and Veterans alerts would be cancelled if they kill only town. If someone protects scum, then the scum played well, or you played badly. IMO, a role shoyld affect others equally.
it can heal scum the poll was if it should change to cant
2. Communication and soft confirmation exist. I can see a meta where people give eachother numbers through whispering. An Impersanator can use this to either confirm BMer or Impersonator is in game. However, this role works well at avoiding some of the more obvious pitfalls.
greenrabbit7 wrote:Sadly, this suffers from the same problem as disguiser. People will use this role to hijack other people’s names and get them reports. It is a good idea, though.
Mystoc wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Sadly, this suffers from the same problem as disguiser. People will use this role to hijack other people’s names and get them reports. It is a good idea, though.
only the first part is where the person uses ur body and once they die they are revealed has their real role not another persons role, dusiguiser did this, this role doesnt
the problem is the name.
also duisguiser intentionaly takes over a towns body and acts in ways against towns win condtion making it seem like gamethrowing
this role tries to save other town and let them use their duisguise so they both work on winning for town they dont have contrary goals, thats a huge difference
The problem is the name. For racist stuff.
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if people intentionally say racist/vulgar or game throwing things and they are both town thats the person not the role
yeah, but the problem isn’t that they’re town. I could easily see an impersonator spamming “NIGS” after they disguise the second time.
it says alot about the community that swaping peoples looks and names on the same team cant work cause of spammers
the fact the game is free and people banned can just remake accounts is a big factor to this
ToL has many roles that DO swap opposite sides and it works fine
simply disable the function to report until the game ends have a pop saying starting on Day X name was in persons body
This would just make reporting tedious.
This would just make reporting tedious.
Mystoc wrote:This would just make reporting tedious.
that's such a good reason a well thought mechanic that's adds something new and unique to game cant be added ToS 10/10 reason there
waiting till the end of the game so you have all the facts before falsely reporting someone is tedious got it, and because of this fact no role with such a mechanic can ever exist
even though throne of lies does it perfectly and doesn't have any problems, but this simply isn't possible in ToS because waiting to report someone is tedious
did I some up why this role cant work in your eyes well enough?
How often have you changed your mind about a report, and wished “Man I wish I didn’t report that guy”
If a person says “niqqer” they still said niqqer. If someone named themselves niqqer they still named themselves niqqer. If someone revealed the entire mafia they still revealed the entire mafia. If someone insulted someone they still insulted someone. If someone confessed to cheating they still confessed to cheating. If someone leaves while alive they still left while alive. This does not change. If you could make a mechanic that filtered the report to the original user, sure, but this would make reports tedious.
yea but mafia aren't gonna be swapped amolst ever this role is to let another town take their identity
ToL handes it fine u cant report till the end of the game
Not to mention people just wouldn’t care at that point. When dead most people leave before they lose. Sometimes people leave right after they die. This would make people who ARE reported reported less or not at all, as people would simply be gone or just want to move on to the next game. There’s no reason to change the time.
if the person leaves early give them the fact of the name swap and then let them report who they want fron the game lobby they are no longer in game giving them this info is fine now
It’s a genuine problem. A genuinely good role, but a genuine problem. And no reason for insults dude.
its a problem cause the game has no paywall, so free accounts are free no repercussion of ban, this drasticly lowers the qualtiy of ToS games, even so i addressed the issue by delaying reports, the only reasons u have why this shouldnt be i have adressed
Mystoc wrote:Would have...not would of...
Hall of horrors...they removed the old disguiser for the nameswapping confusing reports.
already addressed this read above just change it so reports cant be made till end and having a pop up stating person was x person starting x day
==============================================================================================How often have you changed your mind about a report, and wished “Man I wish I didn’t report that guy”
If a person says “niqqer” they still said niqqer. If someone named themselves niqqer they still named themselves niqqer. If someone revealed the entire mafia they still revealed the entire mafia. If someone insulted someone they still insulted someone. If someone confessed to cheating they still confessed to cheating. If someone leaves while alive they still left while alive. This does not change. If you could make a mechanic that filtered the report to the original user, sure, but this would make reports tedious.
yea but mafia aren't gonna be swapped amolst ever this role is to let another town take their identity
this has no relevance to what I just said.
ToL handes it fine u cant report till the end of the game
We’re not talking about throne of lies. One is a paid game, the other is a free game. VERY different player dynamic.
Not to mention people just wouldn’t care at that point. When dead most people leave before they lose. Sometimes people leave right after they die. This would make people who ARE reported reported less or not at all, as people would simply be gone or just want to move on to the next game. There’s no reason to change the time.
if the person leaves early give them the fact of the name swap and then let them report who they want fron the game lobby they are no longer in game giving them this info is fine now
Problem is they have to wait for an ENTIRE GAME to end just for one leaving report.
It’s a genuine problem. A genuinely good role, but a genuine problem. And no reason for insults dude.
its a problem cause the game has no paywall, so free accounts are free no repercussion of ban, this drasticly lowers the qualtiy of ToS games, even so i addressed the issue by delaying reports, the only reasons u have why this shouldnt be i have adressed
Play throne of lies then, and suggest this role there. With the social dynamic of town of Salem it does not work, and there is no need to change an entire system just for one role. If they changed it they could add disguiser again and then this role would be a disguiser copy.
Mystoc wrote:you act like people would only stay the entire game to report someone, if they are staying to see who wins it doesn't matter when the report happens,
if u just want to leave the game you can report right away once ur in post screen lobby
please explain what the problem with this is?
greenrabbit7 wrote:Mystoc wrote:you act like people would only stay the entire game to report someone, if they are staying to see who wins it doesn't matter when the report happens,
if u just want to leave the game you can report right away once ur in post screen lobby
please explain what the problem with this is?
Do you mean you’ll be given an option to report if you leave?
yes ull be told the body swap happened once you leave like this
on day 3 sam swapped identities with giles
access chat log below that
and everyone who was in that game u can right click to report, problem solved
(it wouldnt show who was what role like it does normally or this would be abused in classic ect..)
If yes:
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people already cheat and multi-account this wont change that at all, if u want real games u play ranked, i dont touch classic or anything besides ranked where people can que together ull just get mass cheaters
If no:
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Mystoc wrote:greenrabbit7 wrote:Mystoc wrote:you act like people would only stay the entire game to report someone, if they are staying to see who wins it doesn't matter when the report happens,
if u just want to leave the game you can report right away once ur in post screen lobby
please explain what the problem with this is?
Do you mean you’ll be given an option to report if you leave?
yes ull be told the body swap happened once you leave like this
on day 3 sam swapped identities with giles
access chat log below that
and everyone who was in that game u can right click to report, problem solved
(it wouldnt show who was what role like it does normally or this would be abused in classic ect..)
If yes:
Spoiler:
people already cheat and multi-account this wont change that at all, if u want real games u play ranked, i dont touch classic or anything besides ranked where people can que together ull just get mass cheaters
We all have our personal preferences. Moving on, it’s easy to get two accounts in the same queue. You just click join queue with two TOS tabs open.
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Mystoc wrote:now ur just saying cause people can cheat which is a huge bigger problem a mechanic shouldn't be allowed, if we're to the point that anyone can just que mass people together in ranked we have much bigger problems
then one person leaving on the off chance there an impersonator in the game and then telling their buddies or alt account this
if this was a common thing which i dont think it is ranked game would just be decided by which side has most alt accounts
greenrabbit7 wrote:Mystoc wrote:now ur just saying cause people can cheat which is a huge bigger problem a mechanic shouldn't be allowed, if we're to the point that anyone can just que mass people together in ranked we have much bigger problems
then one person leaving on the off chance there an impersonator in the game and then telling their buddies or alt account this
if this was a common thing which i dont think it is ranked game would just be decided by which side has most alt accounts
Here’s what I’m lumping cheating with:
Say bob is a multi accounting mafia who suspects there’s an impersonator. He just had to leave and gets all info, if you get a log of the game that’s worse, and encourages multi accounting to leave d1 and get everyone’s role. This is a great idea but the community is very toxic and messes this up.
And it’s not a common thing because people can get banned for it, or just don’t think of it. It happens though. Besides it’s not like there are many multi accounts in other modes... or detectable ones anyway.
Delaying it to the end just opens up so many new problems, though. And again this is all for this specific role.
Mystoc wrote:it is not complicated you swap identities with a person who woulda of died and fake your death and then assume the identity and role of a town person the night they die after your faked death.
lemonader666 wrote:Mystoc wrote:it is not complicated you swap identities with a person who woulda of died and fake your death and then assume the identity and role of a town person the night they die after your faked death.
So it's a shit doctor/bg. Not only does it have extremely shit TP capability, it's also negative utility(why the fuck would you lie to your allies)
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