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Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:20 am
by Parallax7
SkyyRawrr wrote:I personally love the idea. But I think this role should be it's own role and not taking over the Jesters already existing role. I love playing Jester (And it's honestly one of my favorite roles to play) It also doesn't really bother me playing against one either. It's all part of the game. But like I said .. I do like the role idea otherwise.

Also the voting is pretty unfair.. There should be an option for no also. But again that's just my opinion.

Probably will be an unpopular opinion and that's quite alright with me.


It's a petition

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 9:08 pm
by SkyyRawrr
Parallax7 wrote:
SkyyRawrr wrote:I personally love the idea. But I think this role should be it's own role and not taking over the Jesters already existing role. I love playing Jester (And it's honestly one of my favorite roles to play) It also doesn't really bother me playing against one either. It's all part of the game. But like I said .. I do like the role idea otherwise.

Also the voting is pretty unfair.. There should be an option for no also. But again that's just my opinion.

Probably will be an unpopular opinion and that's quite alright with me.


It's a petition


I know this. I was just giving my opinion as I stated a few times. But if you're referring to the whole voting comment? I still think it'd be fair to have yes & no. Whether it does/means anything or not..

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 4:45 am
by Parallax7
No(s) can be stated in the responses.

I wouldn't put no on a petition. That makes absolutely no sense.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:38 am
by Raven1207
Wouldn't it be weird being Executioner (which is NE) to turn to Jester (if it is NB)

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:39 am
by lemonader666
Raven1207 wrote:Wouldn't it be weird being Executioner (which is NE) to turn to Jester (if it is NB)

it doesn't need to if this change is made

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:56 am
by Shilster
Raven1207 wrote:Wouldn't it be weird being Executioner (which is NE) to turn to Jester (if it is NB)


Executioner

Neutral(Chaos)

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 3:37 pm
by Raven1207
Still, excluding Amnesiac possibly some of Mafia, most roles that that change to one another role like Vampire Hunter to Vigilante or Mafioso to Godfather usually are in the same alignment

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:19 pm
by Shilster
Raven1207 wrote:Still, excluding Amnesiac possibly some of Mafia, most roles that that change to one another role like Vampire Hunter to Vigilante or Mafioso to Godfather usually are in the same alignment


Not always, roles like Framer -> Mafioso or Jailor -> Vampire is different. It'll be the same

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:15 pm
by Mystoc
If you're killed at night while pulling a prank, the party responsible will not be able to kill the following night. Regardless of their role.


Werewolf:
Will fail to kill visitors of next person it attacks, because holy crap this thing is weak enough.


isnt WW immune to this though he doesn't kill the following night the jester penalty would be over by the time he can kill again

if you're being consistent with the debuff happening the night after the kill occurs

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 10:50 pm
by Shilster
Mystoc wrote:
If you're killed at night while pulling a prank, the party responsible will not be able to kill the following night. Regardless of their role.


Werewolf:
Will fail to kill visitors of next person it attacks, because holy crap this thing is weak enough.


isnt WW immune to this though he doesn't kill the following night the jester penalty would be over by the time he can kill again

if you're being consistent with the debuff happening the night after the kill occurs


No, WW will only kill the person they target.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:05 pm
by Mystoc
im not saying that isn't how it is now

im saying WW should be immune and not get a debuff cause the night after he kills a person he's not allowed to kill anyway so the debuff should be meaningless to him since it overlaps with his i can't kill night

i was saying based on logic it should be changed to he gets no penalty

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:05 pm
by Shilster
Mystoc wrote:im not saying that isn't how it is now

im saying WW should be immune and not get a debuff cause the night after he kills a person he's not allowed to kill anyway so the debuff should be meaningless to him since it overlaps with his i can't kill night

i was saying based on logic it should be changed to he gets no penalty


The next full moon, he can only kill his target. Please, use common sense.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:41 pm
by kookeekwisp
Shilster wrote:
Mystoc wrote:im not saying that isn't how it is now

im saying WW should be immune and not get a debuff cause the night after he kills a person he's not allowed to kill anyway so the debuff should be meaningless to him since it overlaps with his i can't kill night

i was saying based on logic it should be changed to he gets no penalty


The next full moon, he can only kill his target. Please, use common sense.

Darn that common sense; the complete opposite of logic. >:x

(i was being serious actually. Common sense is just being able to spot no-brainers without overthinking it.)
((this is what i sound loke when i DONT try and sound smarticles))

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 4:43 am
by Parallax7
One could argue, if Werewolf doesn't face a pentalty, the Jester's interaction is inconsistent. Werewolf will not be immune.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:57 am
by Mystoc
you should change the wording to the following night they are able to kill then (the penalty happens then)

not just the following night

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:12 am
by kookeekwisp
Mystoc wrote:you should change the wording to the following night they are able to kill then (the penalty happens then)

not just the following night

"If you're killed at night during a prank, you diminish their next attack."
"If you're lynched during a day prank, you kill someone who voted you up."

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:24 pm
by Raven1207
Shilster wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:Still, excluding Amnesiac possibly some of Mafia, most roles that that change to one another role like Vampire Hunter to Vigilante or Mafioso to Godfather usually are in the same alignment


Not always, roles like Framer -> Mafioso or Jailor -> Vampire is different. It'll be the same


I meant to AND between Amnesiac and POSSIBLY some of Mafia

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 8:56 pm
by kookeekwisp
Raven1207 wrote:
Shilster wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:Still, excluding Amnesiac possibly some of Mafia, most roles that that change to one another role like Vampire Hunter to Vigilante or Mafioso to Godfather usually are in the same alignment


Not always, roles like Framer -> Mafioso or Jailor -> Vampire is different. It'll be the same


I meant to AND between Amnesiac and POSSIBLY some of Mafia

What's the '&' got to do with it? I'm pretty sure everyone knew what it meant.

And what do you mean Possibly? Are you talking about Mafia role ideas that could convert themselves to other factions?

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:22 pm
by Shilster
kookeekwisp wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:
Shilster wrote:
Raven1207 wrote:Still, excluding Amnesiac possibly some of Mafia, most roles that that change to one another role like Vampire Hunter to Vigilante or Mafioso to Godfather usually are in the same alignment


Not always, roles like Framer -> Mafioso or Jailor -> Vampire is different. It'll be the same


I meant to AND between Amnesiac and POSSIBLY some of Mafia

What's the '&' got to do with it? I'm pretty sure everyone knew what it meant.

And what do you mean Possibly? Are you talking about Mafia role ideas that could convert themselves to other factions?


I think he meant Mafia roles that can be a Mafioso.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:28 am
by Parallax7
Damn! 27 votes? I'm loving it.

So all things considered. I still haven't truly found a good way method of handling Executioner. Because making it Neutral(Chaos) is me sweeping it under the rug.

I suppose we could implement Kirize's Executioner, though.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:31 am
by marlony1
Parallax7 wrote:Damn! 27 votes? I'm loving it.

So all things considered. I still haven't truly found a good way method of handling Executioner. Because making it Neutral(Chaos) is me sweeping it under the rug.

I suppose we could implement Kirize's Executioner, though.

Also Parallax the role tourney started if you were wondering, if you don't care I can remove you and auto continue the other 2 people you're fighting against.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 5:44 am
by Parallax7
Thanks for the heads up. And yeah everyone I added Kirize's Executioner Overhaul.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:20 am
by Purple998
What if the werewolf kills the jester he loses his "detection immunity" or lose their "powerful attack" but can still rampage.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:34 am
by Parallax7
Powerful attack loss is buff in disguise because he is no longer able to hurt Godfather and still wins in a 1v1. And losing detection immunity is a inconsistent penalty. Inconsistency makes for bad balance.

Re: Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

PostPosted: Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:04 pm
by Joacgroso
About the exe, his goal could be changed to "live to see the town lose", and he could win basic defense (or something better) after lynching his target.