Jester Overhaul #SeeNoNeutralEvil

[HereThereEverywhere]

No it's not fair. Neutral Benign isn't supposed to be biased at all. Town is the strongest faction, they don't need Neutrals that are biased to them. Neutral Evil is okay because it can help ALL evils, which means every single role that's not Town. Town-sided Neutrals only help one faction, which means they're practically Town.

[Joacgroso]

No it's not fair. Neutral Benign isn't supposed to be biased at all. Town is the strongest faction, they don't need Neutrals that are biased to them. Neutral Evil is okay because it can help ALL evils, which means every single role that's not Town. Town-sided Neutrals only help one faction, which means they're practically Town.

Remember that NB can't spawn in any balanced gamemode, so leaving them for chaos modes, where town isn't too powerful is ok. Also, they don't HAVE to help town in order to win, especially in chaos modes.

[Parallax7]

You should balance alignments and sub alignments whether it's ranked or not.

[TrueGuardian32]

Not sure If I did this or not so here.
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This idea.

[lemonader666]

Not sure If I did this or not so here.
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This idea.

Is there a reason? It'd be considered spam if you don't have a reason.

[TrueGuardian32]

Not sure If I did this or not so here.
I TrueGuardian32
/Support
This idea.

Is there a reason? It'd be considered spam if you don't have a reason.

I like the idea, and it seems well balanced to me. I do wish that it didn't have the 15 seconds time during day but that's acceptable still to me.

[RHCube]

No, that's not the only issue. It's town sided.

It's not town sided at all. It can help town or evils. Again, I don't see the issue with the current jester. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken(like spy/vh/ret)

[lemonader666]

No, that's not the only issue. It's town sided.

It's not town sided at all. It can help town or evils. Again, I don't see the issue with the current jester. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken(like spy/vh/ret)

It can side with Town even though it's NEUTRAL EVIL! DO YOU NOT GET THE PROBELM HERE

[Soulshade55r]

Jester is a good role this would also make no sense for exe, what would it turn into?

Also making this role would just nerf the evils and in coven there would be only one neutral evil that turns into a Neutral benign role? It's just a strange role that doesn't need to be in game the jester is a fun role why ruin it?

[TrueGuardian32]

Jester is a good role this would also make no sense for exe, what would it turn into?

Also making this role would just nerf the evils and in coven there would be only one neutral evil that turns into a Neutral benign role? It's just a strange role that doesn't need to be in game the jester is a fun role why ruin it?

We were thinking it would turn into this Jester but with 1 or 2 pranks instead of 3.
I also don't like the current Jester and would prefer this one. Of course we could also just kill off the Executioner when his target dies at night.

[RHCube]

No, that's not the only issue. It's town sided.

It's not town sided at all. It can help town or evils. Again, I don't see the issue with the current jester. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken(like spy/vh/ret)

It can side with Town even though it's NEUTRAL EVIL! DO YOU NOT GET THE PROBELM HERE

that doesn't mean that jester should be completely reworked though. And neutral evils don't have to be anti-town, they should just cause harm.

[HereThereEverywhere]

Cause harm to whom?

[Joacgroso]

Cause harm to whom?

I guess he means to town.

[RHCube]

Cause harm to whom?

Anyone. They're called neutral for a reason.

[TrueGuardian32]

Cause harm to whom?

Anyone. They're called neutral for a reason.

Only time that is relevant to town is when its Neutral Benigh. Neutral Evil is meant to be against town. Basically they side with all evil including Mafia.

[Mystoc]

If you're lynched during the day, when pulling a prank, the following day, everyone is immune to being lynched. Essentially taking away the Town's most powerful weapon.

this not evil sided there many end game situations with jailor where evils are in a 2v1 and won't be able to vote

CL and necro , jailor jails CL and necro has used all dead who cant kill now
jailor wins cause of jester

same could be said for and GF / mafia support situation (jailor jails GF

in situations where town does have majority a good mafia can still fool town into hanging there allies if played right this no voting penalty is not town sided or evil sided end game

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again i don't see how a goal of die during the night is even a viable idea you don't even need to do anything dying is a natural part of the game , even if you have to alert like a vet its still way to easy to do with 4 pranks. There's no way to fool people to kill you without in turn gettting town TP to protect you which is negative synergy with whole die during the night.

its Cool idea but really reverse jester just don't work dying is way to easy of a goal, getting hanged requires skill to fool town and at same time not seeming like a jester,

dying during the night is just a no skill no brains goal that can get done just by clicking a button without even interacting with the town since evil people kill quiet people a lot since jailor isn't usually vocal casue they don't want to draw attention to themselves

i would like to hear your thoughts on why dying during the night is hard goal to achieve to cause it isn't

[HereThereEverywhere]

Cause harm to whom?

Anyone. They're called neutral for a reason.

They're called Neutral because they're not a faction. Neutral Benign is the help-anyone-hurt-anyone faction, Neutral Evil is the help-evils-hurt-Town faction.

[Soulshade55r]

Most people like the normal jester it isn't broken, I don't like medium or ret, but they don't need to be reworked

[RHCube]

Cause harm to whom?

Anyone. They're called neutral for a reason.

Only time that is relevant to town is when its Neutral Benigh. Neutral Evil is meant to be against town. Basically they side with all evil including Mafia.

Cause harm to whom?

Anyone. They're called neutral for a reason.

They're called Neutral because they're not a faction. Neutral Benign is the help-anyone-hurt-anyone faction, Neutral Evil is the help-evils-hurt-Town faction.

Alright, but that doesn't mean that jester needs to be reworked. It could just be made into a neutral benign role.

[Parallax7]

Jester in its current state wouldn't work as a Neutral Benign.

[marlony1]

Most people like the normal jester it isn't broken, I don't like medium or ret, but they don't need to be reworked

As a young parallax used to say, just because it's fun, doesn't mean it's not fair.

[RHCube]

Jester in its current state wouldn't work as a Neutral Benign.

But the only issue with the current jester is its alignment. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken.

[Parallax7]

Jester in its current state wouldn't work as a Neutral Benign.

But the only issue with the current jester is its alignment. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken.

Except it's concept is broken.

[HereThereEverywhere]

Most people like the normal jester it isn't broken, I don't like medium or ret, but they don't need to be reworked

This isn't about what people like. I would love a completely night immune Mayor, that way I could lead Town without dying at night. People would like that, it doesn't make the role balanced. It doesn't matter what people like or dislike if it's unbalanced.

[RHCube]

Jester in its current state wouldn't work as a Neutral Benign.

But the only issue with the current jester is its alignment. Roles should only be reworked if their concept is broken.

Except it's concept is broken.

How is it broken.