Berserker (Neutral Killing)

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Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Wed Jul 12, 2017 10:03 am

Role Name: Hypnotistscrew Kirzie screw BMG Berserker
Role Alignment: Neutral Killing

Abilities:
  • Inflict a person with Bloodlust every night.
  • In the day, pick a target for the victim with Bloodlust to attack if they fail to choose a target themself.

Attributes:
  • A person inflicted with Bloodlust will be forced to use a Basic attack on another person the next night. They will be aware they are being forced to attack.
  • One night after attacking, or immediately upon a failed attack, the person will suffer a Basic attack.
  • If your target fails to kill somebody, their last will will be cleaned and they will die immediately.
  • Upon a person dying to a person inflicted with Bloodlust, you will be forced to wait one night.

Goal: See everybody die to their own rage.

Attack: Basic Defense: Basic

Wins with Survivors
Wins with Witches
Must kill Town
Must kill Mafia
Must kill Serial Killers
Must kill Arsonists
Must kill Werewolves
Must kill Vampires
Wins with Pirates
Must kill Plaguebearer
Must kill Pestilence

Investigator: (work in progress)
Sheriff: Your target is a Berserker!
Consigliere: Your target uses their rage and bloodlust. They must be a Berserker!



Additional Information:
This role provides a 1.33 KPN, which is greater than many other roles. This is countered by the fact that only half these kills are performed in the best interest of the Berserker, and the other half is caused by another party that the Berserker chooses.
If someone fails to select somebody to attack, they will attack the target the Berserker picked. They will be aware of who this target is.

Messages:
  • You have decided to inflict ____ with Bloodlust tonight.
  • You have instead decided to inflict ____ with Bloodlust.
  • You have changed your mind.
  • You have been inflicted with Bloodlust! If you do not choose somebody to kill by tonight, you will be forced to kill ____.
  • You have chosen to attack ____.
  • You have instead chosen to attack ____.
  • You have cancelled your choice.
  • You attacked your target.
  • You attacked the given target.
  • We found ____ dead in their home last night. They were attacked by a victim of the Berserker.
  • The Bloodlust has drained you. You will die tonight.
  • You see your target kill another. Satisfied, you decide to wait.
  • We found ____ dead in their home last night. Their energy was drained by a Berserker.


Thoughts?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby SkyW » Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:37 am

Maybe lower the KPN a bit, but it's a good concept.


Edit: Wait shit shadowwalker. You might need to make it more diffrent than shadowwalker
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:31 pm

This is different (a lot so) from Shadowalker?

Also the KPN is the main reason I proposed the role. It accelerates the game and gives Town less time to scumread and plan efficiently.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby SkyW » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:46 pm

dyaomaster wrote:This is different (a lot so) from Shadowalker?

Also the KPN is the main reason I proposed the role. It accelerates the game and gives Town less time to scumread and plan efficiently.



I'm just confused on how it works, can you do a play by play? Also. What if you force a non-visiting role to kill? What happens if someone attacks you?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:02 pm

Example:

N1: Berserker visits the Escort, by random choice.
N2: Berserker visits the Medium, who appeared to be clueless in day chat. Escort thinks that somebody is suspicious so they use their kill on them.
N3: Berserker can't visit. Medium randomly selects and accidentally kills the Transporter. Escort commits suicide.
N4: Berserker notices Investigator is getting close to finding him, so he visits him. Medium commits suicide.
N5: Berserker visits the Godfather. Investigator attacks a Executioner, and, failing their attack, suicides immediately.

...etc.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby lemonader666 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:46 am

Can you explain this role clearer? I don't understand the mechanic of this role.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:30 pm

The Berserker will pick a target at night. The next night, the target will be notified that they were visited by the Berserker. They will be given, in replacement of their night ability, a single column to select one person to deal a Basic. If they fail to select a target, the game will randomly select a target for them.
If they select a night immune person, they will immediately die. Otherwise, they will survive the night and be able to communicate with the town as normal (undecided on this feature). The next night, they will still be able to perform their night action (e.g. investigating, attacking, vesting) and will be dealt a Basic attack at the end of the night.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby lemonader666 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:34 pm

So their target will be changed to the one they kill?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:44 pm

?
They choose who they will kill. This helps balance the KPN and adds a new twist on picking targets, where picking the smartest ones may not be best.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby lemonader666 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:47 pm

dyaomaster wrote:?
They choose who they will kill. This helps balance the KPN and adds a new twist on picking targets, where picking the smartest ones may not be best.

I meant does the berserker's target kill the following night or the same night?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:51 pm

The following night, when they are aware they will be killing somebody.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby lemonader666 » Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:52 pm

I'm not a fan of delayed kills.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Jul 14, 2017 8:38 pm

Why is it a bad mechanic (here)?

(Just noting, the only way to change it from a delayed kill to an instant kill is to make selecting somebody to kill a day action.)
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Thu Jul 27, 2017 11:19 am

bump
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby JGaming08 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 1:03 pm

Isn't this just a more unique type of Serial killer?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:28 pm

How so?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby JGaming08 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:33 pm

Well, it forces someone to kill someone else then they die. You can only do this every two nights, thus being a Serial Killer.

Is that right? Or did I get it wrong?
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Thu Jul 27, 2017 3:49 pm

You can do it twice every 3 nights, assuming all targets are non-immune. With an immune target selected by your target, it gets reduced a bit, but almost always remains over 1 KPN.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby Gooose26 » Thu Jul 27, 2017 7:58 pm

So it can't objectively kill, but otherwise a tiny little buff to sk. Like sure 1 extra kill every 3 days, but at the same time can't control who it kills ha;f the time, meaning he can't control the game that well. Which is all you have to do as a neutral killing, control the game, balance the sides, keep chaos, and good a fake claim in there somehow. But he doesn't have enough to do with confirmed kills, so he can't do that
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:34 pm

He still has a 0.66 KPN in there, for his own use. The main point of this role was not to make it easy to win as; it was designed to have more of an overall impact on the game, while still giving it the tools to (possibly) win.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby dyaomaster » Wed Sep 20, 2017 2:31 pm

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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby marlony1 » Wed Sep 20, 2017 4:51 pm

Weak and has no control over the deaths, but not in a good way.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby Mystoc » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:10 pm

you don't really mention this but a berserkerd person is also roleblocked since they are forced to attack a person that would mean they don't get to use there night ability right?

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also how does this get 1.33 kills per night mind giving a night by night example of this role in action in a game?


edit i missed the fact they die after they kill/attack someone seems very strong took away my questions pertaining to that i still don't see how this has 1.33 kills a night

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giving people the power to kill doesn't feel very fun when the person knows for SURE they will die the night after maybe add a way they can be saved from dying?

by doctor? or maybe if the kill the right person with their beserk ability i dunno

poisoner does this yes but doc can save poisoned people you have no way beskered people can be saved after they kill someone

it just seems this role wouldnt be fun to play against knowing you will die with no counters to it doesn't make playing the game fun
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby Blayzeatron » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:31 pm

This would probably be a buff, but I think it would be better if the target was not notified that they had gotten bloodlust. Simply, whoever their target/primary target is, is the person they will attack. This adds more strategy to the role as you want to try and predict who they will visit. If a role is selected that cannot visit, they will die at the end of the night. Also, this makes it so that there does not need to be a delay of one night between raging someone and when they attack, as it will simply have a high priority. However, you would have to figure out which way the priority goes in terms of an escort.
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Re: Berserker (Neutral Killing)

Postby Mystoc » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:51 pm

some targets don't visit though so it would alot time the kill would rng based since meduim mayor or vet or psychic didnt select anyone

also completely busted if they don't know they are beserked and TP or LO instantly kills the most important role in the game

its defiantly a buff and way to strong
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