Esper (neutral Chaos)

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Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby DoonLord » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:11 pm

Name: Esper

Alignment: Neutral Chaos

Ability: Chose someone to mind read each night

Attributes:
You will learn the exact role of your target
During the day you can select someone to anonymously talk to during the night (will fail if you are jailed. If your target is jailed then you will know, They can hear you but you can't hear them.)
You have an invincible defense
Your ability's are astral

Goal: Kill the Town, Mafia and Coven. Wins with all neutrals

Invest results: Invest, Consig, Mayor, Esper
Sheriff results: NS

Notes: Yes this role is very hard to win with. The idea is to have a role to coordinate the neutrals such as the vampires and the Neutral killings. That being said the only way to tell that an Esper isn't an invest is ether the Esper being attacked, The invest slots all being taken or the Lookout not seeing the Esper visit his target. The invincible defense means that an Arso, Jailor, Jester or Pestilence won't kill you. Since 3 of those roles are neutral and the 4th needs a nerf anyway that is exactaly how I want it.
Last edited by DoonLord on Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:43 am, edited 1 time in total.
Town of Salem needs better goals.
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby Mystoc » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:19 pm

its basicly just NK ally then since NB sides with all
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby SkyW » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:21 pm

So do you learn their role or do you chat with them? It's a bit confusing right now on how it works.
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby HereThereEverywhere » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:35 pm

At night you target someone and get their role, at day you can choose to communicate.

No role should just get invincible defense right off the back, and this isn't Neutral Evil since it can't help all evils. It's definitely NC.

Other than that, Mafia doesn't have a high enough winrate to justify this role, and we don't know about Coven yet. Neutral Evil should serve as an enemy to Town and only Town.
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby DoonLord » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:43 am

Mystoc wrote:its basicly just NK ally then since NB sides with all

Basically. That is the intention
Town of Salem needs better goals.
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby DoonLord » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:50 am

HereThereEverywhere wrote:At night you target someone and get their role, at day you can choose to communicate.

No role should just get invincible defense right off the back, and this isn't Neutral Evil since it can't help all evils. It's definitely NC.

Other than that, Mafia doesn't have a high enough winrate to justify this role, and we don't know about Coven yet. Neutral Evil should serve as an enemy to Town and only Town.


I changed the alignment. The defense works here because without it they are going to be killed way too early. The only roles that matter having invincible defense are WW Arso Jester and jailor. The vet and bg don't care because he doesn't attack or visit. The WW Arso and Jester would want to work with him and the jailor is op anyway and this would hurt too much as he would know for a fact that he is Esper if he tries to exe for whatever reason. The defense is mostly for the Arso so that he can properly work with one even if he got doused.

The point of the role is to help the nk so if he could win with maf and coven it would just be another witch.
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Re: Esper (neutral Evil)

Postby DoonLord » Sat Jul 29, 2017 7:31 am

DoonLord wrote:
HereThereEverywhere wrote:At night you target someone and get their role, at day you can choose to communicate.

No role should just get invincible defense right off the back, and this isn't Neutral Evil since it can't help all evils. It's definitely NC.

Other than that, Mafia doesn't have a high enough winrate to justify this role, and we don't know about Coven yet. Neutral Evil should serve as an enemy to Town and only Town.


I changed the alignment. The defense works here because without it they are going to be killed way too early. The only roles that matter having invincible defense are WW Arso Jester and jailor. The vet and bg don't care because he doesn't attack or visit. The WW Arso and Jester would want to work with him and the jailor is op anyway and this would hurt too much as he would know for a fact that he is Esper if he tries to exe for whatever reason. The defense is mostly for the Arso so that he can properly work with one even if he got doused.

The point of the role is to help the nk so if he could win with maf and coven it would just be another witch.

FYI that is compared to basic defense which already covers all gf and vig
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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby lemonader666 » Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:28 am

Why not change the name to NeutralAllyFinder2K? That's the only point to this role.
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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby DoonLord » Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:48 pm

lemonader666 wrote:Why not change the name to NeutralAllyFinder2K? That's the only point to this role.

Because thats a terrible name that doesn't fit the theme of the game. As for finding neutral Ally's... THATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT!!!
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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby Applemader666 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:51 pm

All this does is find a Neutral ally, sure if it's a NK ally it can tell it who to kill but then it's just a worse consigliere.

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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby lemonader666 » Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:59 pm

DoonLord wrote:
lemonader666 wrote:Why not change the name to NeutralAllyFinder2K? That's the only point to this role.

Because thats a terrible name that doesn't fit the theme of the game. As for finding neutral Ally's... THATS SUPPOSED TO BE THE POINT!!!

THAT IS THE ROLE'S ONLY POINT YOU FOOL! I WAS MOCKING YOU!
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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby DoonLord » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:12 pm

Applemader666 wrote:All this does is find a Neutral ally, sure if it's a NK ally it can tell it who to kill but then it's just a worse consigliere.

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The fact that it can find mutual enemies gives it reason to communicate with non Ally's. For example you could give the vigilante the name of a mafia to shoot or the mafia the name of a town power. There is a good reason the communication is anonymous. Of course if this happens a lot in the meta then you can trick a vig into shooting an important town like the jailor.

There is also the fact that the consig ability can help you accuse others in the day as sheriff or invest depending on the accusation.

Point being that even though finding neutral Ally's is the main function it still has other uses
Town of Salem needs better goals.
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Re: Esper (neutral Chaos)

Postby Mystoc » Sun Jul 30, 2017 9:24 pm

I AGREE its a worse surv with no vest and harder win conditions

who has consig and night chat abilities it's not really a threat to town at all besides its voting power

really this a weak NK ally
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