Saboteur (Mafia Support) {As of 1.5}

[PoptartPresident]

Role Name: Saboteur (Better name thanks to Skulomania's suggestion)

Alignment: Mafia Support
Attributes: You can talk with other Mafia at night. You can get promoted to Mafioso if Mafioso/Godfather dies, etc. Immune to vote blocks
Abilities: You may choose someone to Sabotage. Sabotaged targets cannot vote for the following day.

Goal: The mafia's goal of course. (Kill all that will not submit to the mafia)

Win Conditions:
You win with Mafia
You win with Survivors
You win with Witches
Must kill the Town
Must kill Serial Killers
Must kill Werewolves
Must kill Arsonists
Must kill Vampires

Special Attributes: You are the first ever Semi-Unique role. (I'll explain later)

Investigative Results:
Consigliere's results: Your target prevents people from voting. They must be a Saboteur.
Investigator's results: Your target has sensitive information to reveal. They must be a Sheriff/Executioner/Werewolf/Saboteur. (Investigative result re-worked thanks to the suggestions of Tigerleap and RobbStark)


Additional Information:

In-depth explanation:
A Saboteur can choose someone at night, and when that person is targeted, they will be unable to vote at all the next day. (Same format like a blackmailer, as the person will be informed of their disability to vote)
If you are vote blocked, you will receive the message "A Saboteur has threatened to attack you! You cannot vote tomorrow!"
(*New message thanks to the suggestion of EternalRage)
During the day, when the voting time comes, you will be unable to click any buttons, as they will not be there.

*SIDENOTES:
1) You CANNOT sabotage a revealed Mayor. When night comes, their button will be gone. (Why? Well..... Balance>Lore)
2) If you do sabotage a mayor before they reveal, and then they reveal, your vote-block effect will be eliminated.
3) You cannot sabotage yourself or other Saboteurs. (Congrats you're immune to yourself)


Advantages:
-New mafia role! Which makes the mafia all the more powerful.
-This can be a gigantic help when dealing with random lynchers. If you realize there's always a particular person who seems to randomly vote to lynch, and you're afraid they might one day "randomly lynch" a mafia member, then you can keep them from being pesky.
-This can greater aid the mafia, as there will sometimes be an instance where a Saboteur could potentially keep the town from lynching by ONE vote.
-You could potentially be a great ally with a blackmailer, as if both of you visit the same person, they will appear pretty much AFK to the town
-You also are great for keeping an Investigator/Sheriff from instantly starting the vote lynch if they find you. (I notice how people usually start voting once the actual accuser starts voting) could buy you a wee bit of time
-Because of the category you fall in, you have now made Sheriffs even more questionable to the public.
-I think it's a good replacement for the disguiser, since he's gonna be kicked out soon.

Disadvantages:
-Since you're semi-unique, you may not be that useful in the beginning, as keeping one person from voting isn't gonna do much at first.
-Your presence is easily discovered, as it only takes one person to say "I can't vote. We have a Saboteur"
-If you're found, you're potentially a higher target to other non-Mafia roles, as you're a pretty powerful late-game-restrictor role.


Semi-Uniqueness meaning:
Should Saboteur's be the first "Semi-unique Mafia role"?
Think about it. If there's a 5 man Mafia with 1 killer and 4 Saboteurs, you can severely weaken and crush the town with them being unable to vote n' all. I think it'd be much more fair if there was limit...
I was thinking they should be a special and new type of "semi-unique"
Say, you can only have one Saboteur in the Mafia, but an Amnesiac CAN remember them.


Other people's suggestions/edits go here:
1) Should the Saboteur be able to sabotage a revealed Mayor, but cannot sabotage someone who is being protected by a Bodyguard? (Idea from moichu)
2) Another possible Saboteur investigative alignment: Lookout/Forger/Saboteur/Amnesiac (Suggestion from randomguyhavingfun)
3) Instead of Mayor being immune to the Saboteur, the Saboteur can revert the revealed mayor's vote count back to 1. (idea from Tigerleap)

Achievements

-Nnnnno! (Sabotage an unrevealed Mayor) 5 coins
-Awwww come on! (Have a Mayor eliminate your vote block by revealing to the public) 10 coins
-Can't touch this. (Sabotage an investigator) 10 coins
-Whoopsies! (Sabotage a member of the mafia) 10 coins
-You should feel scared forever (Sabotage the same person 3 times) 10 coins
-AFK much? (Have you, and a blackmailer visit the same person) 15 coins
-Drats! (Attempt to sabotage a revealed Mayor) 15 coins
-I'm fine with who I am. (Attempt to sabotage yourself) 25 coins
-I'm on the go! (Sabotage five different people in one game) 25 coins
-I thought I was the only one? (Have an Amnesiac remember your role) 25 coins

-Welcome aboard! (Win 1st game as Saboteur) 5 coins
-Savage (Win 5 games as Saboteur) 5 coins
-Even more Savage (Win 10 games as Saboteur) 10 coins
-The ultimate Savage (Win 20 games as Saboteur) 20 coins
-Master of threats (Win 25 games as Saboteur) 25 coins


Please unload your thoughts and opinions onto me now that I have finished the bucket!

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

This should be in Role Ideas.

Also, I do think that this will be a good role for Mafia, since it's helpful for Mafia. Blackmailer and Vote Blocker would be also a good combo to manipulate people. Once a player was vote blocked, the number of votes getting someone up on stand should be decreased (depending on the players who were vote blocked). This shouldn't be a unique role, since it's not powerful enough.

[ThyMason122]

I have a feeling this is just a mafia sided version of the "Politician" role. That was in the testing grounds a few days ago.

[PoptartPresident]

I have a feeling this is just a mafia sided version of the "Politician" role. That was in the testing grounds a few days ago.

wait...there was already someone who came up with this?

[kookeekwisp]

Please don't ignore the stickies. The role card format is there for a reason.
Name+Alignment, Win condition, Abilities, Attributes, Special attributes, Side-notes & Invest results.

Also, giving a full tutorial on your own role that's not in the game is a bit narrow-minded.

[CAPTAINPHASMA123]

I have a feeling this is just a mafia sided version of the "Politician" role. That was in the testing grounds a few days ago.

wait...there was already someone who came up with this?

No, but it was like this.

[alex1234321]

This role is actually very good. As some people have said, it would work very well with roles like the Blackmailer. The only problems that I see are its name, and its investigative results, which currently mean instalynch. /support

[PoptartPresident]

Please don't ignore the stickies. The role card format is there for a reason.
Name+Alignment, Win condition, Abilities, Attributes, Special attributes, Side-notes & Invest results.

Also, giving a full tutorial on your own role that's not in the game is a bit narrow-minded.

Maybe the whole format thing is just you.
I personally get a better feel for a role when I visually imagine playing it in-game. But I will update for the sake.

[alex1234321]

Please don't ignore the stickies. The role card format is there for a reason.
Name+Alignment, Win condition, Abilities, Attributes, Special attributes, Side-notes & Invest results.

Also, giving a full tutorial on your own role that's not in the game is a bit narrow-minded.

Maybe the whole format thing is just you.
I personally get a better feel for a role when I visually imagine playing it in-game. But I will update for the sake.

The format thing is not just him. Roles are meant to look neat, and anyone with at least five posts would agree that role ideas must be in the stickied format. Nobody should ignore the stickies. Maybe, there should be a sticky reminding people to read the other stickies...

[Villagerlover]

Mafia more powerful??
OP Townies can't lynch as easily??
Dude, this is the begninning of that one where the staff say "they will replace the disguiser role with a much better role". Well...HERE IS THAT ROLE


/Support

[vertroyer1]

This role is pretty good as many others have said.

If you wanna keep the role from being OP , you can either make it a unique role or give it a limited number of uses.

Other than that, it's flawless.

[Cenas4life]

Sounds too much like the neutral politician role which wss executed better than this one. /No Support.

[Villagerlover]

Sounds too much like the neutral politician role which wss executed better than this one. /No Support.

*was


Okay first off, the politician role is a neutral evil role. And secondly, the political role should be a Mafia member because a neutral role that has the ability to control other people's votes is stupid. Someone who has the ability to control votes should be a Mafia member because they can keep a townie from voting. That is EXTREMELY USEFUL.
And in this role, you don't "control" the votes. You just block them.

I think the politician role should actually be the name of this idea because even though the Vote Blocker and the Politician roles have similar abilities, this Mafia-sided version is waaaaaaay more concise than the politician who keeps constantly changing the way his role works.

This role idea is clear, to the point, and only helps the Mafia, a side that doesn't win nearly as much as the currently overpowered town.

[Cenas4life]

Sounds too much like the neutral politician role which wss executed better than this one. /No Support.

*was


Okay first off, the politician role is a neutral evil role. And secondly, the political role should be a Mafia member because a neutral role that has the ability to control other people's votes is stupid. Someone who has the ability to control votes should be a Mafia member because they can keep a townie from voting. That is EXTREMELY USEFUL.
And in this role, you don't "control" the votes. You just block them.

I think the politician role should actually be the name of this idea because even though the Vote Blocker and the Politician roles have similar abilities, this Mafia-sided version is waaaaaaay more concise than the politician who keeps constantly changing the way his role works.

This role idea is clear, to the point, and only helps the Mafia, a side that doesn't win nearly as much as the currently overpowered town.

Roles that can block, control, or get extra votes are very powerful, and likewise that is why I think they should be neutral instead of mafia. If mafia got one of these roles, they would become too powerful. Just think about the mafia with a mayorish role. That is what this would become.

[Villagerlover]

Sounds too much like the neutral politician role which wss executed better than this one. /No Support.

*was


Okay first off, the politician role is a neutral evil role. And secondly, the political role should be a Mafia member because a neutral role that has the ability to control other people's votes is stupid. Someone who has the ability to control votes should be a Mafia member because they can keep a townie from voting. That is EXTREMELY USEFUL.
And in this role, you don't "control" the votes. You just block them.

I think the politician role should actually be the name of this idea because even though the Vote Blocker and the Politician roles have similar abilities, this Mafia-sided version is waaaaaaay more concise than the politician who keeps constantly changing the way his role works.

This role idea is clear, to the point, and only helps the Mafia, a side that doesn't win nearly as much as the currently overpowered town.

Roles that can block, control, or get extra votes are very powerful, and likewise that is why I think they should be neutral instead of mafia. If mafia got one of these roles, they would become too powerful. Just think about the mafia with a mayorish role. That is what this would become.

"Just become too powerful" okay. So you're saying the mafia, the ones that's supposed to be the more powerful team, are too OP with this role idea?? If anything the TOWN is the one that needs nerfs. Especially in ranked mode.

"Just think about the mafia with a mayorish role" okay, the Godfather? Cause you know the moment the godfather gets investigated, you're dead son.
Same goes for just about any of the mafia roles really.

I don't even think you read this idea because it clearly summarizes near the end that "this role would be too OP if there was too many of them, so they should be unique."
And you're saying the Politician, a 4th neutral evil role (Cause that's TOTALLY what's on demand), with an author who keeps changing the goal currently, would be better than one extra mafia role that the mafia reallllllllly needs?? Especially with the fact that the disguiser will leave soon??

I don't think you've ever even played mafia at that point.

[BPsycho2]

No need for the disrespect

Witchgoal neutrals are on demand

Mafia doesnt need this.

This is put with escort, a role that it cannot possibly claim.

[Villagerlover]

Mafia doesnt need this.

You do know they're completely getting rid of the disguiser soon right?
The Staff have only said "we will make sure to replace it with a new awesome mafia role"

well here it is!!
It's on demand. Someone needs to make this happen because this is a lot better than the 91% of garbage that inhabits these Role Idea forums.

[Spam1985]

The current decription make it sounds like the person is blackmailed, afraid to vote for fear of having their identity revealed.

For variety's sake, how about calling it something like:
Thug
Hooligan
Goon
Ruffian
Mobster

Basically, a bully who will beat you up. You cannot raise your hand to vote because you are crippled? I don't know I'm just toying with ideas.

[PoptartPresident]

The current decription make it sounds like the person is blackmailed, afraid to vote for fear of having their identity revealed.

For variety's sake, how about calling it something like:
Thug
Hooligan
Goon
Ruffian
Mobster

Basically, a bully who will beat you up. You cannot raise your hand to vote because you are crippled? I don't know I'm just toying with ideas.

Yeh so about the whole "identity reveal" thing. I'm not a big fan of it.
You see, the only reason I thought of using that message was so there would be a semi-logical reason as to why you can't vote block the revealed mayor. Because since the mayors identity is public...they can't be scared to vote? I'm not sure. I don't like the message much either

But yeah! Thanks for the name suggestions, I wil take them into consideration

[EternalRage]

Make your own message?

"A (name) has threatened to attack you! You are vote-blocked"

[PoptartPresident]

Make your own message?

"A (name) has threatened to attack you! You are vote-blocked"

Thank you for the suggestion. I have edited this as as well.

[Villagerlover]

Actually you should change the Vote Blocker's investigative result to Investigator-Consigliere-Mayor-Vote Blocker

I think it'd be a great change because then you could "gather information" as a logical reason to make Invest results more questionable.

[Cenas4life]

Sounds too much like the neutral politician role which wss executed better than this one. /No Support.

*was


Okay first off, the politician role is a neutral evil role. And secondly, the political role should be a Mafia member because a neutral role that has the ability to control other people's votes is stupid. Someone who has the ability to control votes should be a Mafia member because they can keep a townie from voting. That is EXTREMELY USEFUL.
And in this role, you don't "control" the votes. You just block them.

I think the politician role should actually be the name of this idea because even though the Vote Blocker and the Politician roles have similar abilities, this Mafia-sided version is waaaaaaay more concise than the politician who keeps constantly changing the way his role works.

This role idea is clear, to the point, and only helps the Mafia, a side that doesn't win nearly as much as the currently overpowered town.

Roles that can block, control, or get extra votes are very powerful, and likewise that is why I think they should be neutral instead of mafia. If mafia got one of these roles, they would become too powerful. Just think about the mafia with a mayorish role. That is what this would become.

"Just become too powerful" okay. So you're saying the mafia, the ones that's supposed to be the more powerful team, are too OP with this role idea?? If anything the TOWN is the one that needs nerfs. Especially in ranked mode.

"Just think about the mafia with a mayorish role" okay, the Godfather? Cause you know the moment the godfather gets investigated, you're dead son.
Same goes for just about any of the mafia roles really.

I don't even think you read this idea because it clearly summarizes near the end that "this role would be too OP if there was too many of them, so they should be unique."
And you're saying the Politician, a 4th neutral evil role (Cause that's TOTALLY what's on demand), with an author who keeps changing the goal currently, would be better than one extra mafia role that the mafia reallllllllly needs?? Especially with the fact that the disguiser will leave soon??

I don't think you've ever even played mafia at that point.

I stand by what I originally said. The mafia should not have a role that adds, blocks, or controls votes.

[Mace8937]

Should be unique.
And Amnesiacs can't remember unique roles.

Results are an insta-lynch if no one has claimed roleblocked or Transported.

[RobbStark]

I like this idea a lot and it would really help the mafia and I completely agree that there should only be allowed to have one vote blocker in the mafia but the Amnesiac can still remember them. And you should really change the Invest results because this role would probably be lynched right away.