Kirize12 wrote:Also, if he heals let's say a Jester, and the Jester gets lynched, the Surgeon does not win unless that's the last person he successfully heals, so he's going to have to try and find people who aren't likely to be subject to an attack, thus changing his playstyle completely.
Technetium wrote:Kirize12 wrote:Also, if he heals let's say a Jester, and the Jester gets lynched, the Surgeon does not win unless that's the last person he successfully heals, so he's going to have to try and find people who aren't likely to be subject to an attack, thus changing his playstyle completely.
Orrr he could just stop healing people.
Kirize12 wrote:You must heal every night at the cost of death and losing if you do not choose a target.
Kirize12 wrote:Technetium wrote:Kirize12 wrote:Also, if he heals let's say a Jester, and the Jester gets lynched, the Surgeon does not win unless that's the last person he successfully heals, so he's going to have to try and find people who aren't likely to be subject to an attack, thus changing his playstyle completely.
Orrr he could just stop healing people.Kirize12 wrote:You must heal every night at the cost of death and losing if you do not choose.
Technetium wrote:...Sorry. Missed that part; it was lumped in with a couple of other attributes, and I didn't see it there.
Edit: I do like this role. /support
Kirize12 wrote:EDIT: I allowed revoting, so you can vote that you like the idea and the role now, technetium. ^^
Technetium wrote:Kirize12 wrote:EDIT: I allowed revoting, so you can vote that you like the idea and the role now, technetium. ^^
I hadn't voted yet.
oliy wrote:There should be more self-protection involved, maybe the ability to self-heal, but you don't win with yourself :\
Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:There should be more self-protection involved, maybe the ability to self-heal, but you don't win with yourself :\
Definitely no self heal for this guy.
Not a chance.
oliy wrote:Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:There should be more self-protection involved, maybe the ability to self-heal, but you don't win with yourself :\
Definitely no self heal for this guy.
Not a chance.
It should be night immune in some way, like how Executioner needs to be immune because it's pretending to be an Investigative, this is pretending to be a protective.
NBs always have a way to protect themselves.
Amnesiac becomes a role that can, or joins a faction where he gets that trust.
Survivor gets vests.
Phantom and Shade have rituals, similar to vests but are productive.
This needs some way to protect itself. One self-heal could be nice, but if you're attacked, it does nothing for your win con.
oliy wrote:Neither is Amnesiacs, but it still gets a small way to protect itself.
Technetium wrote:oliy wrote:Neither is Amnesiacs, but it still gets a small way to protect itself.
What does this mean?
oliy wrote:Neither is Amnesiacs, but it still gets a small way to protect itself.
One self-heal would be enough, or maybe the healed person is informed it was a Surgeon and knows the Surgeon's identity. This would be a change from no feedback though.
Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:Neither is Amnesiacs, but it still gets a small way to protect itself.
One self-heal would be enough, or maybe the healed person is informed it was a Surgeon and knows the Surgeon's identity. This would be a change from no feedback though.
If Amnesiac dies, it instantly loses. Game over.
Surgeon can still win while dead.
oliy wrote:Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:Neither is Amnesiacs, but it still gets a small way to protect itself.
One self-heal would be enough, or maybe the healed person is informed it was a Surgeon and knows the Surgeon's identity. This would be a change from no feedback though.
If Amnesiac dies, it instantly loses. Game over.
Surgeon can still win while dead.
Not true
Post-remembering
Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:Kirize12 wrote:If Amnesiac dies, it instantly loses. Game over.
Surgeon can still win while dead.
Not true
Post-remembering
Surgeon will be too strong and town-sided with a self heal.
oliy wrote:How so? Vigilantes could try to shoot. Heck, we could allow it to self-heal in Jail.
Raetah wrote:"I hate Neutral Benigns, so I'm going to make a role with a bunch of Artificial Difficulty in order to make Neutral Benign lose more frequently"
Lizzie0 wrote:Kirize12 wrote:oliy wrote:How so? Vigilantes could try to shoot. Heck, we could allow it to self-heal in Jail.
Why would Vigilante try to shoot a potential ally?
No. If you're in Jail, you're roleblocked. A Surgeon wouldn't say "Yo, before you jail me, let me grab my med kit." No - he'd just be jailed.
Same reason to why a vigilante would shoot a survivor and amnesiac. but in the surgeon's case, it's more about that the surgeon could potentially heal mafia/neutral killing.
Why should the surgeon be able to clean the dousing? Arsonist doesn't need a nerf.
Lizzie0 wrote:Kirize12 wrote:In Ranked, if it couldn't heal Arsonist douses the Surgeon would be completely incapable of winning with Mafia if an Arsonist was the NK.
It can heal mafia against every town killing role.
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