Ezradekezra wrote:Servant should be a pretty fun to play, since you get to have a teammate without necessarily having to be deceptive about it. The independent action ability also gives it more utility than a Mafioso has when the GF is alive while also making it require more skill to play.
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My main issue with Altruist is that it combines aspects of old Disguiser and old Retributionist. The body-swapping mechanic makes it easy for trolls to incite false reports (this was an issue with old Disguiser iirc), while the resurrection is just kinda boring to play, especially since you die in the process. The dead chat access, roleblock immunity, and control immunity also seem kinda pointless.
In the end, I think I'd rather roll GA than Altruist because GA doesn't have to kill itself and doesn't have to worry about trolls.
DumWasTaken wrote:1-GA > Altruist
Now look, this is a very subjective one, but i personally hate the way GA is implemented, your target is random, you could end up with a troll or a AFK person, its too easy to win with it, (your target died? no problem, your confirmed surv now, go AFK for auto win) and its a HUGE buff (2 days vote immunity, +1 vote) without any Drawbacks. Like for real what even is the drawback to a GA? Some random dude might ask you to claim "because you have a GA and thats dangerous with your evil" and then get lynched because thats a sus thing to ask. Now, altruist fixes most of my issues with GA (No extra votes, only one day of vote immunity, less RNG since altruist gets to talk in dead chat and decide who to revive, wich would help with not getting AFKs or trolls, and its actually not a free win, since you need to keep your target alive (wich means having a solid claim for when you swap, another thing dead chat access is usefull for)
DumWasTaken wrote:2-Control immunity and RB immunity are useless
No, no they arent. RB immunity is mostly because i want to avoid a situation where a Altruist is just rbed all game and doesnt get to play. Control immunity however, is actually usefull. A little known fact is that a CL/Witch can force a Amne to use their night ability on someone, if they control the amne into someone who dies the same night. Now since altruist has the same priority as amne, i assume that would happen too, and imagine just how lame it would be to be forced into swapping with the solo mafioso N2 cause CL said so.
DumWasTaken wrote:1-As i said about GA having to depend on your randomly assigned target to not be AFK, Leave D1, or just troll to be able to win is kinda not cool imo
DumWasTaken wrote:2-Its another stupid overpowered buff to the faction that gets it WITH 0 DRAWBACKS, i cant possibily stress how much i hate roles that just buff someone and have no drawbacks, its just hella OP imo (Blantant examples of this being OP include, but are not limited to CL with a mafioso, CL with 2 controls in one night, Ambusher with astral, Ambusher with 2 ambushes in one night, Vigi with 2 shots in one night, tarnationing PM (wich is already VERY strong) with 2 pots in one night (Coven has potential for 4 kills in one night with this role, wich is pure BULL imo).
DumWasTaken wrote:EDIT: Lets not forget the potential for 5-6 evils in the same team that GA and servant offer, wich is also stupid OP, adding another role like GA would make this far too common for my liking
Ezradekezra wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to vote or not but
/vote Servant
alex1234321 wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to vote or not but
/vote Servant
You can vote but it's sort of meaningless since dum will vote for Altruist
Ezradekezra wrote:alex1234321 wrote:Ezradekezra wrote:Not sure if I'm allowed to vote or not but
/vote Servant
You can vote but it's sort of meaningless since dum will vote for Altruist
It's meaningful if Dum is afk for the voting period
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
superdog551 wrote:A solution to the fear of false reports/trolls with the Altruist is simple. Not only should the Trial system say when X swapped with Y, but any reports that are made against X after Y has taken their name should just be treated as if Y is the one being reported, and vice versa. That way there would be less hassle with judges having to duplicate reports as they wouldn't actually be against the wrong person.
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
sunbird1002 wrote:I mean, yes, its in TG already. However, the winner of this contest, if its already in TG, will probably give up their role to the second/third place player (if second place is also a TG role.)
Ezradekezra wrote:(what happened to this)
(should we skip to the voting phase since the creators aren't debating)
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