Role Megathread

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Re: Role Megathread

Postby Brilliand » Thu May 13, 2021 6:13 pm

superdog551 wrote:Agent is hardly an original idea by either of you. The idea of a mafia LO/Tracker combo has been suggested so many times in the past.


I think orangeandblack5's Osservatore was the first to show up in this subforum (back in 2016).
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby superdog551 » Thu May 13, 2021 6:30 pm

Bringing up that Medium cannot be roleblocked is completely inrelavent; Medium cannot be roleblocked because they have no active abillites. You're acting like these no counters against this. I did mention that roles with night time defence cannot be audited and that Bodyguards can prevent an Audit. Netural Evil roles need to be more powerful then Mafia roles as NEs need to stand on their own


It's not irrelevant. This role can "roleblock" a medium and prevent it from talking to the dead when a medium cannot be "roleblocked" this way by any other role.
What do you mean night defense? Night immunity? Because that only protects GF and NKs, which this role would not want to cripple anyway. What I said stands, it's way too powerful. Nothing should be able to permablock a role.
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby MarsGodofWar » Thu May 13, 2021 6:38 pm

Medium cannot be roleblocked because they have NO ACTIVE ABILLTIES. So yes it is completely irrelevant. This is a completely different concept from a Consort and has minimal uses. Stop making it out that it would be game breaking for a Medium to get audited. Also, it's not way too powerful. If it was Mafia then yes. But Netural roles need to be useful on their own. Auditor will reduce the chance of important roles revealing early on if there is a possibly Auditor in the game.
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby superdog551 » Thu May 13, 2021 6:48 pm

MarsGodofWar wrote:Medium cannot be roleblocked because they have NO ACTIVE ABILLTIES. So yes it is completely irrelevant. This is a completely different concept from a Consort and has minimal uses. Stop making it out that it would be game breaking for a Medium to get audited. Also, it's not way too powerful. If it was Mafia then yes. But Netural roles need to be useful on their own. Auditor will reduce the chance of important roles revealing early on if there is a possibly Auditor in the game.


You aren't understanding. It is "roleblocked" because it wouldn't be able to talk to the dead anymore. If you're saying that the Auditor wouldn't take this ability away from the medium then you should edit the original post, because it says under the Auditor's abilities: -Your target will lose all their role abilities and attributes and the Medium's abilities and attributes are: Abilities-When dead speak to a living person at night. Attributes-You will speak to the dead anonymously each night you are alive. Sounds like it can "roleblock" a medium to me.

My point is not that it is OP because it can disable a medium, it's that it can cripple ANY town role. Escort/Transporter/Retri included even though they typically can't be stopped by other means. Imagine being in a town where three people suddenly become citizens. Town can lose all of its TPs or Tis and now nobody can be protected and no mafia can be discovered. BG loses its ability and then the jailor can no longer do their ability. It absolutely cripples the town. It is too powerful. It is not fun to play against.
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby Brilliand » Fri May 14, 2021 12:29 am

superdog551 wrote:Edit: Not that it really matters, this role is extremely overpowered anyway. It is a scum sided super-escort. It has three permanent roleblocks that go through roleblock immunity and can even roleblock roles that typically don't have the ability to be rbd like a medium. How did you decided that this role is one of the most balanced out there?


Keep in mind that the Auditor's "roleblock" doesn't interfe3re with the role's ability that same night, and when it does interfere, the target knows the day before that their ability won't work. I wouldn't consider it a "super-roleblock" because it's useless in the specific situation when a Consort would be most helpful (when you just learned that a specific person will be doing something very dangerous to you that very night).

superdog551 wrote:Escort/Transporter/Retri included even though they typically can't be stopped by other means.


Escort can be Witched, and Transporter/Retri can at least be stopped by jailing (though jailing is both telegraphed and townsided, so it isn't quite the same).
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby MarsGodofWar » Fri May 14, 2021 7:44 am

superdog551 wrote:
MarsGodofWar wrote:Medium cannot be roleblocked because they have NO ACTIVE ABILLTIES. So yes it is completely irrelevant. This is a completely different concept from a Consort and has minimal uses. Stop making it out that it would be game breaking for a Medium to get audited. Also, it's not way too powerful. If it was Mafia then yes. But Netural roles need to be useful on their own. Auditor will reduce the chance of important roles revealing early on if there is a possibly Auditor in the game.


You aren't understanding. It is "roleblocked" because it wouldn't be able to talk to the dead anymore. If you're saying that the Auditor wouldn't take this ability away from the medium then you should edit the original post, because it says under the Auditor's abilities: -Your target will lose all their role abilities and attributes and the Medium's abilities and attributes are: Abilities-When dead speak to a living person at night. Attributes-You will speak to the dead anonymously each night you are alive. Sounds like it can "roleblock" a medium to me.

My point is not that it is OP because it can disable a medium, it's that it can cripple ANY town role. Escort/Transporter/Retri included even though they typically can't be stopped by other means. Imagine being in a town where three people suddenly become citizens. Town can lose all of its TPs or Tis and now nobody can be protected and no mafia can be discovered. BG loses its ability and then the jailor can no longer do their ability. It absolutely cripples the town. It is too powerful. It is not fun to play against.


I never implied that Medium would be immune to Auditors effects, because its not true. Besides, a Medium losing his attributes isn't game-breaking so don't argue that it is.

Also, you are severely overestimating the abilities of Auditor. Three people don't suddenly become citiziens, as this role can only use his attributes once a night. Town will eventually lose all their TP/TI if they are not losing, but it wouldn't happen suddenly even with Auditor. Jailor is the most overpowered role so boohoo if he loses his abillties, this role is meant to counter powerful roles like Jailor and Auditor would abolish the stale TP/LO meta.
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby scarfves » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:16 pm

Personally bumping cause I hope Town of Salem fixes this. I left the game 2 years ago cause the Jailor meta was creeping up on the balance of the game and it was feeling repetitive, and now that I returned recently; the game is still relatively the same. Games aren't decided by amazing plays or strategy anymore but just small fuck-ups made by one person that decide the whole outcome when it becomes a race for the highest numbers. Roles like Executioners, Witch, and all Neutral Killings have no breathing room when 1f1 exists and there are no evil counterparts to easily confirmable roles like Lookout.
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Re: Role Megathread

Postby WaveAqualei » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:54 pm

Why was this thread revived erm-
I’m gonna lock this since it’s been over a year since it’s been active, and the original poster is a troll.
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Re: TP/LO JAILOR META COUNTERS

Postby Soulshade55r » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:02 pm

alex1234321 wrote:Why can't we just remove Jailor from Ranked? As long as there are confirmable Townies (like your Marshall idea), there will always be a meta. The only way to fully get rid of Jailor meta is to get rid of Jailor.

Actually I've seen the best solution as this:

While jailor jails, protection fails aganist them, This way jailor has to not claim. I think this would be a great nerf to jailor, making TP'S more fun because they dont baby sit one role all game.
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