Framer Buff V3 [Final Version]

[CapWarrior2]

Role Name:
Framer

Attack: None
Defence: None
Unique: No
Priority: 3
Immunities: None

Alignment:
Mafia(Deception)

Ability:
- Choose someone to frame their role at night.
- Choose a second person to fake the framed person's visit.[Astral]

Attributes:
- After selecting someone to frame, the framed person will appear suspicious to a Sheriff, will have the Framers result to the Investigator, appear as evil to a Psychic and appear to visit the second person the Framer selected.
- Frames will last forever, until checked by a Town(Investigative), excluding Spy.
- A framed person's framed visit will also be removed when a LO sees the framed visit.
- A Spy will not see the Framers frame, but rather the newest framed target visit for the night, and if they do not visit then it will show as the Framer framing their target.
-> [Example] [PLAYERA] is sheriff and visits [PLAYERB], Framer framed [PLAYERA] to visit [PLAYERC], Spy sees MV on [PLAYERB]
- You have access to Mafia chat.
- If their are no kill capable Mafia roles left you will become Mafioso.

Notifications:
You have decided to frame [PLAYER] as visiting [PLAYER] tonight.
You have instead decided to frame [PLAYER] as visiting [PLAYER] tonight.
You have changed your mind.

Goal:
Kill anyone who will not submit to the Mafia.

Win Condition:
You win with the Mafia.
You win with the Survivors.
You win with the Witches.

You must kill the Town.
You must kill the Serial Killers.
You must kill the Arsonists.
You must kill the Werewolf.
You must kill the Vampires.
You must kill the Coven.
You must kill the Juggernaut.
You must kill the Plaugebearer.
You must kill the Pestilence.

You may spare anyone else.

Achievements:
Usual 1-25 wins.
Same achieves I guess.

Investigative Results:
Sheriff: Your target is suspicious!
Investigator: Framer, Vampire, or Jester.
Coven Expansion: Framer, Vampire, Jester, or Hex Master.
Consigliere / Coven Leader / Potion Master: Your target has a desire to deceive. They must be a Framer!

Edit: Made the second ability more clearer.
Edit: Removed the ability for it to change roles for now.

[deadlyblack]

I think the Framer is fine the way he is. It would be nice though if the Framer could choose what role he wants his target to come up as.

[CapWarrior2]

I think the Framer is fine the way he is.

Framer is not the fine the was he is. He is currently too UP, he only affects 2 out out of the 6 current TI in the game, rendering useless in most scenarios's, and forcing him to not even bother framing people and then will go on Jailor if tp/lo meta or just frame randomly hoping that someone catches the frame (Which is very bad in a game about deception).

(Its why he is placed as D teir on most peoples teir maker list)

[deadlyblack]

I think the Framer is fine the way he is.

Framer is not the fine the was he is. He is currently too UP, he only affects 2 out out of the 6 current TI in the game, rendering useless in most scenarios's, and forcing him to not even bother framing people and then will go on Jailor if tp/lo meta or just frame randomly hoping that someone catches the frame (Which is very bad in a game about deception).

(Its why he is placed as D teir on most peoples teir maker list)

That's his function: to increase deception for investigative roles. There's no number of changes you can implement to increase his usage, without entirely changing his functionality. So in essence, he is fine. And the changes you propose do nothing but increase the number of frames he can output in a single night? Seems entirely useless and unneeded, and doesnt fit lore wise.

[CapWarrior2]

I think the Framer is fine the way he is.

Framer is not the fine the was he is. He is currently too UP, he only affects 2 out of the 6 current TI in the game, rendering useless in most scenarios's, and forcing him to not even bother framing people and then will go on Jailor if tp/lo meta or just frame randomly hoping that someone catches the frame (Which is very bad in a game about deception).

(Its why he is placed as D teir on most peoples teir maker list)

That's his function: to increase deception for investigative roles. There's no number of changes you can implement to increase his usage, without entirely changing his functionality. So in essence, he is fine. And the changes you propose do nothing but increase the number of frames he can output in a single night? Seems entirely useless and unneeded, and doesnt fit lore wise.

My Rework does not increase the output of frames per night, incase your were confused, the Framers second ability is to pick someone for the Framed person to 'visit' for the night.

A Framer Buff is needed, to fool all ti*, maybe the changing of the roles can be removed, but it does need to fool all to, if not atleast more.

[deadlyblack]

My Rework does not increase the output of frames per night, incase your were confused, the Framers second ability is to pick someone for the Framed person to 'visit' for the night.

A Framer Buff is needed, to fool all ti*, maybe the changing of the roles can be removed, but it does need to fool all to, if not atleast more.

"Choose a second person to frame the frame person's visit"

Your wording is unclear, and made me think that the person the framed person visits, also gets framed.

"Choose a second person to make it seem like your framed target visits them"

This change reminds me of my role concept "Conspiracist"