Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

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Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Postby FrenchyTheSphee » Tue Sep 01, 2020 4:31 pm

Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Abilities:

1: The Scoundrel may visit any player at night (including other mafia members and himself)
2: The Scoundrel's visited target becomes "Slandered" making them take 2 extra votes by the Scoundrel and innoed twice or guiltied twice depending on your choice (For Example when you vote up your target they take 3 votes and then when they are on the stand they also take 3 votes from the Scoundrel)
3: Only the Scoundrel gets those marked votes and their votes will be shown to the town meaning if you vote up your marked target early town can figure you out
4: Your ability only stays on for the night and is not permanent
5: The Scoundrel can choose to visit a target or stay at home

Attributes:

Attack: None
Defense: None

Roleblock immune
Role is unique
Witch Immune
Bodyguard and Trapper Immune, but still dies to Crusader (even if it doesn't make sense just for gameplay balance.)
Spy will be able to see the Scoundrel's visits

Sherrif: Your target seems suspicious!
Investigator: Your target is Investigator Consig Mayor Scoundrel!
Consigliere: Your target is a slanderer of the town they must be a scoundrel!

Gameplay examples of the Scoundrel

- Obviously the main thing about him is his late game potential once all town killing roles and Neutral killings are eliminated from the game since if he uses his ability and votes he pretty much outs himself as the Scoundrel
- A strategy that can be used if there is a spy in the game is to visit your own Mafia members making the spy think that they are non-mafia. This also indirectly nerfs spy a lot.
- If mafia and Neutral killings are siding with each other and Mafia will just lose, finding the Neutral killing and Slandering him will give you a huge edge in those situations indirectly nerfing the new strong Neutral killings by buffing mafia
- Another really cheesy way is taking a huge risk by Slandering the Jailor and telling all the Neutrals to gang up on the jailor, this is a very risky strategy that completely gets countered by Vigilante since you are pretty much outing all of the mafia on d2. But this would be a fantastic nerf to the Jailor meta since the Scoundrel threat is looming anytime he reveals himself. Same thing for Mayor.
- If the town knows a Scoundrel exists they will usually focus on getting him out first rather than focusing on the other Mafia, just like how mafia and mayor interact

Backstory:

You were a mayor back in your old days. You were great, you were powerful and most importantly you were a dictator. Because of your tyranny the town decided to banish you away collectively; starving with no place to go to the Mafia took you in and nurtured you back to your glory days. You have sworn to take vengeance on the town that left you to die; thus becoming the Scoundrel.
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Re: Role Idea: The Crow (Mafia Support)

Postby Mystoc » Tue Sep 01, 2020 7:33 pm

so its a mafia minor mayor but nerfed so it has to visit the person too have two votes against or for them when they are on the stand not to vote them up to the stand?

the prob is if you ino its could be obv the person you are saving is a mafia teammates you could ofc use mindgames and do this to a non mafia to confuse town

if you visit them once can u have x2 whole game or do have to do it each time you use the x2 vote up

its very simple but i think its a bit weak the prob is the role is boring and really only shines late game where its extra votes count

a way to buff this cause i think its weak is have the crow be its own vote, the last person to vote is the crow, and you have your own vote, it would only be obv its you if are the only one to guilty or only a few people vote the same as you

lastly make this have sun ability so it can chose when to use the x2 to vote and not be forced to do it if a person they visited is voted up

also the name makes no sense, call it Scoundrel or Politician
and charge mark to be slander/advocate based on what is voted if they were slandered they are eaiser to attack if they were advocated for they easier to defend

good role man i like it alot its very fair since you have to risk visiting the person once to use the ability on them during day and risk LO or BG not sure bg triggers this?
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Re: Role Idea: The Crow (Mafia Support)

Postby FrenchyTheSphee » Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:23 am

Thank you for the advice!

The Scoundrel seems like a lot better name, the name crow was picked on a whim just to be able to put the role out, but that's a lot better.

The role page has been edited to answer all other questions.
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Re: Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:40 pm

FrenchyTheSphee wrote:Bodyguard kill immune, but still dies to Crusader and Trapper

huh.
how he die to trapper
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Re: Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Postby FrenchyTheSphee » Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:11 pm

TheFluffyWaffleV2 wrote:
FrenchyTheSphee wrote:Bodyguard kill immune, but still dies to Crusader and Trapper

huh.
how he die to trapper



Thank you, a new change has been added to Scoundrel
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Re: Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Postby Mystoc » Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:04 pm

so i just noticed if they u use ability to ino and save a mafiathey can just be voted up again so u need to change that to be either

the trial peroid ends and we go to night phase (OP but you have predict which of the mafia will be voted so its hard)

or if the ability is used they cant be voted again in the same day but trials can still happen (this prolly more balanced :P)
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Re: Role Idea: The Scoundrel (Mafia Support)

Postby FrenchyTheSphee » Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:03 am

To be honest the main reason I have scoundrel being able to visit other mafia is for them to be confirmed by spy, nothing more nothing less. Scoundrel feels like a pretty balanced role right now maybe even a bit strong if you check out my gameplay examples: Stopping jailor from coming out, making spy mafia visits unconfirmable, the insane late game potential votes and also helping mafia vote Neutral killings. He is alright as a role right now, definetally not Janitor level strong, but I would say about Blackmailer level.
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