Prowler- Mafia (Killing)

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Prowler- Mafia (Killing)

Postby Harryyoshi » Sat Aug 29, 2020 5:43 pm

Role Name:
Prowler

Role Alignment:
Mafia (Killing)

Abilities:
- Stalk someone and murder them if there is no one to witness it

Attributes:
- You will not attack your target is someone visits your target
- You will be notified if someone else visited your target

Notifications:
- You will receive "Someone visited your target, so you decided not to attack." if someone else visits your target

Goal:
Kill anyone that will not submit to the Mafia.

Win Conditions:
You must kill Town
You must kill Serial Killers
You must kill Arsonists
You must kill Werewolves
You must kill Vampires
You win with Survivors
You win with Witches
You may spare anyone else

Special Attributes:
- Attack: Basic
- Defense: None
- Unique Role
- Mafia Chat
- If there are no kill-capable Mafia roles left you will become a Mafioso

Investigator Results:
Sheriff - Your target is suspicious!
Investigator - Your target could be a Lookout, Forger, Juggernaut, Witch/Coven Leader, or Prowler.
Consigliere - Your target loiters around their targets with the intent of murder. They must be a Prowler.

Achievements:
Basic ones TBD
No Guards - Successfully attack a Mayor
After You - Have your attack cancelled by a Serial Killer

Additional Information:
You will only get one notification if someone else visits your target, and will not get multiple if more than one other person visited your target. Your visit is not counted as a harmful visit if someone else visits your target, meaning there will never be a case in which Bodyguard will counterattack you.

Lore:
The Prowler always loved the sound of a scream with no one to hear it.
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Re: Prowler (MK)

Postby TheFluffyWaffleV2 » Sat Aug 29, 2020 6:30 pm

A simple, reversed Ambusher. Very nice. /support

I will say, though, they shouldn't receive "You were murdered by a Prowler!", they should instead receive "You were attacked by a member of the Mafia!", as that is what people attacked by the Ambusher see. Obviously it will say their cause of death was from the Prowler in the morning.

also I immediately thought of this when I read the name.

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Achievement: After You - Have your attack canceled by a Serial Killer.
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Re: Prowler (MK)

Postby Mystoc » Sat Aug 29, 2020 7:37 pm

its kill condition is very easy compared to ambusher predict who will be visted vrs just have no visitors

the thing is ambusher can only ever kill a visiting role while this can kill any role for instance ambusher can never kill mayor ret meduim vet or jailor

also being able to directly kill vrs hoping the person visits who you want is much different and arguably easier

also if you think about this role never fears Bodygoard or LO since if either visit they abort the attack which would not trigger BG or alarm LO a huge bonus compared to ambusher who would die or get hung

the only weakness this has is killing important targets who get visits but TP would be visiting them anyway thus they cant die no matter what so its not really a weakness unless TP dies early on

this role can work but only in coven mode even then its very stronger

but good role for coven since that gamemode has the super OP coven mafia needs tools to fight them
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Re: Prowler (MK)

Postby Harryyoshi » Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:48 pm

Mystoc wrote:its kill condition is very easy compared to ambusher predict who will be visted vrs just have no visitors

the thing is ambusher can only ever kill a visiting role while this can kill any role for instance ambusher can never kill mayor ret meduim vet or jailor

also being able to directly kill vrs hoping the person visits who you want is much different and arguably easier

also if you think about this role never fears Bodygoard or LO since if either visit they abort the attack which would not trigger BG or alarm LO a huge bonus compared to ambusher who would die or get hung

the only weakness this has is killing important targets who get visits but TP would be visiting them anyway thus they cant die no matter what so its not really a weakness unless TP dies early on

this role can work but only in coven mode even then its very stronger

but good role for coven since that gamemode has the super OP coven mafia needs tools to fight them


Although you are right about a lot of things, there are some that don't really make sense. I get that a Lookout would be able to catch an Ambusher, but there is a high chance the Lookout will be killed if there are no other TPs. Also, BG cannot kill the Ambusher... the BG will probably die if they try to. A Ambusher can kill important roles that are not known yet, so they can kill TPs if Mafia does not yet have much information. Although Prowler can kill people more easily, it is partially negated by the fact that there are plenty or scenarios where important roles are visits, such as Escort on Vigilante, Transporter on everything, TP and Lookouts on each other. Overall, Prowler has a higher kill potential, but Ambusher has many benefits that Prowler doesn't have.
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Re: Prowler (MK)

Postby Mystoc » Sun Aug 30, 2020 7:43 pm

Although you are right about a lot of things, there are some that don't really make sense. I get that a Lookout would be able to catch an Ambusher, but there is a high chance the Lookout will be killed if there are no other TPs. Also, BG cannot kill the Ambusher... the BG will probably die if they try to. A Ambusher can kill important roles that are not known yet, so they can kill TPs if Mafia does not yet have much information. Although Prowler can kill people more easily, it is partially negated by the fact that there are plenty or scenarios where important roles are visits, such as Escort on Vigilante, Transporter on everything, TP and Lookouts on each other. Overall, Prowler has a higher kill potential, but Ambusher has many benefits that Prowler doesn't have.


the whole point of BG is die and kill mafia though so thats fine, your right about the LO if they are the only visister so really neither role fears LO

prowler can kill important roles not known yet either though since they wouldnt have visitors yet same as ambusher

ambusher imo is weaker then this role by quite a bit i dont see much upsides if any at all, but thats fine this role can exist as long as it sticks to coven mode,

the name doesnt fit btw much call it Hitman he doesnt kill if theres witnesses that fits mafia much more then prowler
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Re: Prowler - Mafia (Killing)

Postby YeetTheBaby25 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:01 am

My achievement ideas:

Too slow! - Fail to kill a target that was visited by a killing role that succeeded. (40 MP)

Rampage - Kill three people in a row. (40 MP)
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Re: Prowler - Mafia (Killing)

Postby Ezradekezra » Fri Sep 11, 2020 11:19 am

This would be a neat addition to Ranked if the Mafioso slot was replaced with a Mafia (Killing) slot, so that the Mafia either gets extra factional kills if a Prowler is rolled or a more secure factional kill if a Mafioso is rolled.
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Re: Prowler - Mafia (Killing)

Postby YeetTheBaby25 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:07 pm

Ezradekezra wrote:This would be a neat addition to Ranked if the Mafioso slot was replaced with a Mafia (Killing) slot, so that the Mafia either gets extra factional kills if a Prowler is rolled or a more secure factional kill if a Mafioso is rolled.

I think OP wants this role to be Coven Exclusive(inv result) but ok
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Re: Prowler - Mafia (Killing)

Postby Harryyoshi » Fri Sep 11, 2020 12:09 pm

YeetTheBaby25 wrote:
Ezradekezra wrote:This would be a neat addition to Ranked if the Mafioso slot was replaced with a Mafia (Killing) slot, so that the Mafia either gets extra factional kills if a Prowler is rolled or a more secure factional kill if a Mafioso is rolled.

I think OP wants this role to be Coven Exclusive(inv result) but ok

I just added it for inclusivity. I do understand, however, that this role would be better in coven (except the replace Mafioso with MK suggestion).
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