Raider: Neutral(Killing)

[cob709]

Role Name:
Raider

Role Alignment:
Neutral(Killing)

Abilities:
- You may choose to plan a raid each night.

Attributes:
- Your attack will be delayed for the next night if your target is visited.
- You will attack anyone that role blocks you
- You may raid multiple players at night.

Notifications:
[Raider]: You have decided to raid [Player] tonight.
[Raider]: A raid was interrupted last night.(Message will appear for every raid that is interrupted)
[Player]: You were raided last night!
[Player]: A raid was interrupted at your house last night!
[Jailor]/[Escort/Consort]: You were raided by your target!
[Jailor]/[Escort/Consort]: A raid was interrupted at your house last night.(Will replace the message above)

Goal:
- Kill everyone who would oppose you.

Win Conditions:
- You win with Raiders
- You win with Survivors
- You win with Witches
- You must kill everyone else.

Special Attributes:
- Attack: Powerful
- Defense: Basic

Investigator Results:
Sheriff - Your target is Suspicious!
Investigator - WIP
Consigliere - Your target attacks their enemies when they're alone, they must be a Raider!

Achievements:
- "Planning" Have 3 raids planned in one night.
- "Massacre" Kill 3 players in one night.
- WIP

Additional Information:
- The Raider will raid escorts/consorts that RB him. The Raider will also attempt to raid the jailor that jails him.(He may raid multiple players, but the raids can be delayed)
- The thing about the raider is, they won't be caught by a spy bugging their target or a LO seeing their visit. This makes them have a much better chance of not being caught. But this would also mean they're not able to kill as often.(They trade safety for not being able to kill as often)
- So Raider will add players to their queue for raids. This makes all visiting roles useful.

- Edit 1(6/14/2020 2:34 PM MST):
Edited results for being jailed/blocked by an escort/consort/jailor
- Edit 2(6/14/2020 7:36 PM MST):
Changed "raid will fail if target visited" to "raid will be delayed"(Brilliand's Buff)
Changed some notifications
Added the "raid queue"(Brilliand's Buff)
Added Achievements

Lore:
- "You're a cautious murderer that would never risk themselves being caught."

[lemonader666]

It's a weaker SK, who cares about immunity if you can just tell town through your death notes

[dolphina]

I feel like you should have the notification be similar to that of the Serial Killer's notification. "You were attacked by your target!" (I don't remember the exact notification)

[Soulshade55r]

It's a weaker SK, who cares about immunity if you can just tell town through your death notes

it actually kinda just has some use against not being spot by LO or killed by BG, but it feels too much like sk.

I'd argue bypassing defence can be a bad thing anyway due to killing witches and exe and sometimes you'd want the GF around longer before you out them through death note

[cob709]

It's a weaker SK, who cares about immunity if you can just tell town through your death notes

Well, it's weaker in a way that their attacks can fail. But it's also strong that it can't be caught by Lookouts.
Though yeah, it still does need to be buff'd.

I feel like you should have the notification be similar to that of the Serial Killer's notification. "You were attacked by your target!" (I don't remember the exact notification)

Yes.

it actually kinda just has some use against not being spot by LO or killed by BG, but it feels too much like sk.

I'd argue bypassing defence can be a bad thing anyway due to killing witches and exe and sometimes you'd want the GF around longer before you out them through death note

Yes, it kind of does feel like an SK but well- you know, that's kind of like the whole point of NKs.

Yes, it can be a bad thing. But it can also be a good thing, removing competition and such. Yeah it does need a buff though.

Any suggestions to buff it?

[Brilliand]

Buff idea:

When a raid fails, it doesn't fail entirely. Instead, it gets delayed until that player goes a night without being visited. You can have a pending raid against potentially every player at the same time, and multiple raids can trigger in the same night if multiple people don't get visited. However, the death of the Raider cancels all pending raids. (Raider should be unique.)

This puts the Raider somewhere in-between SK and Arsonist.

[lemonader666]

Ah yes the power of not being shown to lookouts at the cost of not killing your target what a worthy trade
Arsonist isn't an SK
Stalker isn't an SK
Electrician/Detonator isn't an SK

[cob709]

Buff idea:

When a raid fails, it doesn't fail entirely. Instead, it gets delayed until that player goes a night without being visited. You can have a pending raid against potentially every player at the same time, and multiple raids can trigger in the same night if multiple people don't get visited. However, the death of the Raider cancels all pending raids.

Genius! This is a great idea.
I'll definitely add something similar to this.
*Added

[lemonader666]

Buff idea:

When a raid fails, it doesn't fail entirely. Instead, it gets delayed until that player goes a night without being visited. You can have a pending raid against potentially every player at the same time, and multiple raids can trigger in the same night if multiple people don't get visited. However, the death of the Raider cancels all pending raids.

Genius! This is a great idea.
I'll definitely add something similar to this.
*Added

Well then it's just stronger than SK
Your kills can't be protected, you can pierce basic defense, you just have way more freedom and leeway than SK in general

[cob709]

Well then it's just stronger than SK
Your kills can't be protected, you can pierce basic defense, you just have way more freedom and leeway than SK in general

It can be protected by every visiting role. Yes it pierces basic defense. Yeah it has more freedom and leeway than SK but can be restricted by anyone who is capable of visiting

[lemonader666]

Well then it's just stronger than SK
Your kills can't be protected, you can pierce basic defense, you just have way more freedom and leeway than SK in general

It can be protected by every visiting role. Yes it pierces basic defense. Yeah it has more freedom and leeway than SK but can be restricted by anyone who is capable of visiting

So half of the time it's useless and half of the time it's either a stronger SK or an arsonist that doesn't need to ignite. Protecting /=/ Delaying
I wish people would stop making NKs that aren't unique or neutrals in general

[cob709]

Well yeah, delaying is the unique concept to this role

[Brilliand]

So half of the time it's useless and half of the time it's either a stronger SK or an arsonist that doesn't need to ignite. Protecting /=/ Delaying

"Half the time it's underpowered and half the time it's overpowered" (and not RNG, it's determined by information shared in day chat) does not sound particularly unbalanced to me.

The deciding factor will be how strong a meta the Town can develop against this role, which... I'm not sure about.

[Soulshade55r]

Ah yes the power of not being shown to lookouts at the cost of not killing your target what a worthy trade
Arsonist isn't an SK
Stalker isn't an SK
Electrician/Detonator isn't an SK

It can be at times depending on the game situation and avoiding bgs sometimes yes, am I saying it's good no? but it does have a couple things going outside of that yes. I personally don't think this role is worth being in the game as it's just a more situational SK.

No point in a role if it plays way too much like another one imo (I'm not talking about wincons).