alex1234321 wrote:Why can't we just remove Jailor from Ranked? As long as there are confirmable Townies (like your Marshall idea), there will always be a meta. The only way to fully get rid of Jailor meta is to get rid of Jailor.
MarsGodofWar wrote:alex1234321 wrote:Why can't we just remove Jailor from Ranked? As long as there are confirmable Townies (like your Marshall idea), there will always be a meta. The only way to fully get rid of Jailor meta is to get rid of Jailor.
Removing Jailor makes the game boring. It is a good role, just the meta built around it sucks and makes the role overpowered. There should always be a hierarchy in a Mafia game; the game needs a Town Power role which is more powerful then other standard roles. But it shouldn't be as easy as saying "Hi I'm Jailor" and then being instantly confirmed and knowing who all TP is day 2.
alex1234321 wrote:In ToS, especially with the small playerbase, you're always going to have a mixture of great and terrible players. If the best player in a lobby rolls Jailor, there's a much higher chance of Town winning than if the worst player gets it. Everyone should contribute to Town's victory equally.
Brilliand wrote:What does Auditor do to killing roles (i.e. Serial Killer, Arsonist, Pestilence, Mafioso)?
MarsGodofWar wrote:So there are a few possibilities of what could happen to Mafioso.... Option 1, Mafioso could lose their ability to kill and if there is no Godfather another RM would become Mafioso as "If there are no remaining Mafia killing roles left you will become Mafioso". Option 2, Mafia cannot be audited at all. Option 3, Mafioso keeps their ability to kill but losses after attributes such as "you will become the next Godfather" . Thoughts???
MarsGodofWar wrote:Would you support this role?
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
Cookazoo2 wrote:Kidnapper –– no mafia jailors.
Sniper –– would prefer if it were astral. generally mafia doesn't need another kill –– tmk is what i care about more.
Agent –– i agree this role should be tested and added.
Auditor –– i don't like vanillaizers and never will.
Judge –– interesting concept, but it needs retooling.
Marshall –– too powerful. needs major fixing.
overall these roles have been balanced for SC2 Mafia. Town of Salem has moved on from its SC2 roots since then. If you want me to balance these roles based on basic concept and name alone I'll do that, otherwise, /support for Agent only, and /anti-nom kidnapper, auditor, and marshall
MarsGodofWar wrote:Cookazoo2 wrote:Kidnapper –– no mafia jailors.
Sniper –– would prefer if it were astral. generally mafia doesn't need another kill –– tmk is what i care about more.
Agent –– i agree this role should be tested and added.
Auditor –– i don't like vanillaizers and never will.
Judge –– interesting concept, but it needs retooling.
Marshall –– too powerful. needs major fixing.
overall these roles have been balanced for SC2 Mafia. Town of Salem has moved on from its SC2 roots since then. If you want me to balance these roles based on basic concept and name alone I'll do that, otherwise, /support for Agent only, and /anti-nom kidnapper, auditor, and marshall
So a Sniper can randomly traverse through the Astral realm and take someone out with an Astral attack? Don't take the logic out of this game, please. Besides, not a lot of difference between an Unstoppable and an Astral Attack.
No reason for there to not be a Mafia Jailor counterpart. Kidnapper is far less powerful than the Town Jailor. Mafia killing roles should always be less powerful than Town Killings and Mafia Deception and Support roles should be more powerful than Town Equivalents
Please explain why you dont like vanillaizers. Auditor is very balanced and losing your attributes is better than dying.
MarsGodofWar wrote:Please explain why you dont like vanillaizers. Auditor is very balanced and losing your attributes is better than dying.
Brilliand wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Please explain why you dont like vanillaizers. Auditor is very balanced and losing your attributes is better than dying.
Alex explained what's wrong with vanillaizers. IMO that explanation is sufficient.
MarsGodofWar wrote:Anyway it's clear you're fucking delisiuonal seeing as you /Voted Kleptomaniac by Ezradekezra in the concept poll which is literally one of the worse roles ever suggested. It's just a daytime Witch with Consigliere attributes, nothing innovative or original about it. Seeing as Kleptomaniac has the 2nd most votes it's clear that no one here has any idea what a good role should be
MarsGodofWar wrote:Brilliand wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Please explain why you dont like vanillaizers. Auditor is very balanced and losing your attributes is better than dying.
Alex explained what's wrong with vanillaizers. IMO that explanation is sufficient.
It's one of the most balanced roles suggested and losing your attributes is better then dying. There's nothing special about being able to push one button at night and getting some feedback off it. This game is about communicating and deception; scum reading and good discussion should be more important then having an active abilities. Anyway it's clear you're fucking delisiuonal seeing as you /Voted Kleptomaniac by Ezradekezra in the concept poll which is literally one of the worse roles ever suggested. It's just a daytime Witch with Consigliere attributes, nothing innovative or original about it. Seeing as Kleptomaniac has the 2nd most votes it's clear that no one here has any idea what a good role should be
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
Brilliand wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Anyway it's clear you're fucking delisiuonal seeing as you /Voted Kleptomaniac by Ezradekezra in the concept poll which is literally one of the worse roles ever suggested. It's just a daytime Witch with Consigliere attributes, nothing innovative or original about it. Seeing as Kleptomaniac has the 2nd most votes it's clear that no one here has any idea what a good role should be
I find that role interesting because it has the ability to copy Transporter, which Witch can't do. It also can double-up the effects of various evil roles, which may or many not compensate for losing the ability to roleblock Town roles - we'll have to see.
Regardless, you've no business reacting to being on the losing side of a vote by calling into question the legitimacy of the vote and the intelligence of everyone who voted contrary to your wishes. Play nice.
MarsGodofWar wrote:Brilliand wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Anyway it's clear you're fucking delisiuonal seeing as you /Voted Kleptomaniac by Ezradekezra in the concept poll which is literally one of the worse roles ever suggested. It's just a daytime Witch with Consigliere attributes, nothing innovative or original about it. Seeing as Kleptomaniac has the 2nd most votes it's clear that no one here has any idea what a good role should be
I find that role interesting because it has the ability to copy Transporter, which Witch can't do. It also can double-up the effects of various evil roles, which may or many not compensate for losing the ability to roleblock Town roles - we'll have to see.
Regardless, you've no business reacting to being on the losing side of a vote by calling into question the legitimacy of the vote and the intelligence of everyone who voted contrary to your wishes. Play nice.
Meh I got plenty of business calling the legitimacy of the votes. When one of the worse roles almost has the top votes it tells me that people here have no idea wtf they're talking about. The second worse role (Bishop) also has way more votes than it deserves.
So you like the role because it can use Transporter? Stupid fucking reason. It's still a daytime Witch and BMG is never gonna add a role which is just a morph of another role. Simple solution allow Witch to use Transporter; possible ways it could work is by making the transporter trans himself with the person he's been forced to target.
Besides, I'm not on the losing side of the vote as my role Sniper is almost leading and so is Agent which is an idea I brought to life that cock507 has taken the credit for.
joaodasalmas wrote:Abilities: You can reveal yourself as the King Potato, and now you can't be voted.
syjfwbaobfwl wrote:the "its better than dying" is also not a good argument, because with that logic all killing roles are bad because they can kill, vanillazers are simply bad roles because they make the game boring for others, and also are boring to play as, it might be balanced, but its still a bad concept
superdog551 wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Brilliand wrote:MarsGodofWar wrote:Please explain why you dont like vanillaizers. Auditor is very balanced and losing your attributes is better than dying.
Alex explained what's wrong with vanillaizers. IMO that explanation is sufficient.
It's one of the most balanced roles suggested and losing your attributes is better then dying. There's nothing special about being able to push one button at night and getting some feedback off it. This game is about communicating and deception; scum reading and good discussion should be more important then having an active abilities. Anyway it's clear you're fucking delisiuonal seeing as you /Voted Kleptomaniac by Ezradekezra in the concept poll which is literally one of the worse roles ever suggested. It's just a daytime Witch with Consigliere attributes, nothing innovative or original about it. Seeing as Kleptomaniac has the 2nd most votes it's clear that no one here has any idea what a good role should be
I'd rather be dead than useless because at least then I could talk with a medium or a retributionist can use me. Nobody wants to have their role taken away, it's not fun. Nobody would want to play as an Auditor, because it does nothing fun. Nobody would want to play against it because then they do nothing fun.
Edit: Not that it really matters, this role is extremely overpowered anyway. It is a scum sided super-escort. It has three permanent roleblocks that go through roleblock immunity and can even roleblock roles that typically don't have the ability to be rbd like a medium. How did you decided that this role is one of the most balanced out there?
superdog551 wrote:Agent is hardly an original idea by either of you. The idea of a mafia LO/Tracker combo has been suggested so many times in the past.
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