Small Arso Buff

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Small Arso Buff

Postby Boredfan1 » Mon Dec 02, 2019 5:31 pm

For arso to survive all any, it needs the ability to you know, not douse a fellow arso. That's a big waste of a night for both of them.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby Kirize12 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 12:16 am

if you're saying arso should be douse immune, agreed
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby Boredfan1 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 1:18 am

Kirize12 wrote:if you're saying arso should be douse immune, agreed


Yep, it just shouldn't be target-able by another arso.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby DragonClaw66 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 5:41 am

Boredfan1 wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:if you're saying arso should be douse immune, agreed


Yep, it just shouldn't be target-able by another arso.

No, they should definitely be targetable, the douse just shouldn't work if the target is another Arsonist. Making Arsonists from the beginning of the game grants too large of an advantage.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby SparkingJayYT » Tue Dec 03, 2019 6:05 am

Boredfan1 wrote:For arso to survive all any, it needs the ability to you know, not douse a fellow arso. That's a big waste of a night for both of them.

I agree with this, though wouldn't that also mean that any Arsonists that end up dousing themselves have to be douse immune as well?
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby Boredfan1 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:31 pm

DragonClaw66 wrote:
Boredfan1 wrote:
Kirize12 wrote:if you're saying arso should be douse immune, agreed


Yep, it just shouldn't be target-able by another arso.

No, they should definitely be targetable, the douse just shouldn't work if the target is another Arsonist. Making Arsonists from the beginning of the game grants too large of an advantage.


Here's the thing, the arsonists don't have much going for them. They have to deal with the mafia, who knows how many Sks, often a werewolf, town and often vampires in just mafia mode. Sure, their win rate in all any is the highest of any mode but that still isn't very high. I don't see a point in just making them immune to it rather than just not letting them be targeted. It's either this or give them a chat. But they should have douse immunity encase they douse themselves for sure, just not either or.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby Boredfan1 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 3:32 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Boredfan1 wrote:For arso to survive all any, it needs the ability to you know, not douse a fellow arso. That's a big waste of a night for both of them.

I agree with this, though wouldn't that also mean that any Arsonists that end up dousing themselves have to be douse immune as well?


Ya, they would need to be.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby JacksonVirgo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:13 pm

Yeah this would be smart to add, would also stop Witch/CL from mass-destroying Arsonists
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby SparkingJayYT » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:55 pm

JacksonVirgo wrote:Yeah this would be smart to add, would also stop Witch/CL from mass-destroying Arsonists

I feel like the having to clean the gas off yourself is an unnecessary part of Arsonist. Assuming you somehow douse yourself, you aren’t just punished for that night by being unable to make another douse, on top of that you have to not visit in order to cleanse yourself from it. That’s 2 crucial nights wasted.
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Re: Small Arso Buff

Postby JacksonVirgo » Wed Dec 04, 2019 6:53 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
JacksonVirgo wrote:Yeah this would be smart to add, would also stop Witch/CL from mass-destroying Arsonists

I feel like the having to clean the gas off yourself is an unnecessary part of Arsonist. Assuming you somehow douse yourself, you aren’t just punished for that night by being unable to make another douse, on top of that you have to not visit in order to cleanse yourself from it. That’s 2 crucial nights wasted.

Arsonist already has >1 KPN. This makes it worse, so yeah they should be douse-immune.

EDIT: They have <1 KPN. Forgot which was which for a sec
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