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MC-TE 2.

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:41 pm

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who dont know the game Musical chairs? It is a game where the players are eliminated from round to round and you win if you are the last man sitting.
However this edition bring you more twist as the orogonal just dancig and trying to sit.
So i will announce now
THE MUSICAL CHAIR
LIAR GAME EDITION games


(Work in Progress - Later editions may contain more moves and possibilities)


I will clarify everything before give you the rules of the core game and the wincon in this spoilers:

Players
Spoiler: They are two groups: the Players and the Gaia
Everyone begin as Player, and the eliminated players became Gaias.
However the Gaias are eliminated from the core of the game they still can affect the game and they also can win. (I will say how in the coins section below)

chairs
Spoiler: the core game is about chairs.

there are 4 position of them

-neutral hidden (default)
-neutral visible
-owned hidden
-owned visible
Hidden: Any special effects of this chair are hidden
Visible: The special effects of this chair are visible
Neutral: The chair is not owned
Owned: The chair is owned by a player
At the beginning of the game a number of chairs will be set and each will be given a different number to differentiate them.

coins
Spoiler: At the beginning of the game everyone will get coins with a total value that is shown next to their name.
Each coin has two main attributes: 
- The player's name
and
- A value
(The varying values are necessary to avoid-everyone wins- situations)
At the end of the game everyone gets scored based on the value of the coins they have with the same name as the player that won the core game




the game:
The game is played over the course of multiple turns. Each turn has 4 phases (1st turn has 5)


Preparation Phase
Action Phase
Voting Phase
Elimination Phase

Every turn begins with a Preparation phase (the first turn has 2 of them)
every praparation phase you can choose 1 of the following actions.
-search chair number X
--if thats a neutral chair and you are a player, it become yours and become visible if it was hidden. If you are Gaia you will just know this is a neutral chair.
--if someone has already obtained it, and it is visible, you will learn who has the said chair
--if it is a hidden owned chair you wont find it.

-search a random chair
You will be given the number of a random neutral hidden chair (if there is any)
If more player chooes search random ALL of them will learn the same number

-hide chair number X
requirement: You have to have chair number X
Make your owned visible chair hidden.


-steal chair number X
requirement: You have to know who has the chair number X
the stolen chair will be owned visible
--if the stolen chair was visible, only the original owner will get a notification that their chair (number X) was stolen
--if the chair was hidden, the original owner will know who stole his chair
--if you attempt to steal a chair which already changed owner your attempt will fail

-sit on chair number X
requirement: you have to be a player, and you have to know who obtain the chair.
this way you cant make any other action, but you will prevent any stealing or sitting attempt to this chair
When you sit on a chair that chair will be always visible afterwards.

the priority of the actions:
hide
follow
sit
steal
search number X
search random

any other case is RNGed
(they can be more moves later)


After Preparation there will be the Action Phase
Only the players are permitted to make move in this phase (the Gaias still can make phase-free moves)
The players objective is to sit on a chair at the end of the phase according to those rules:
-You cant sit the same chair twice in a row (but you can alternate if you have at least two chairs)
-You cant sit on a chair on which someone already sat.
-You cant force someone to stand up from a chair. (with physical force)
-You have one attempt to sit on a chair, if you fail you will automatically try to sit on a visible chair. (If there are any)



the order if more player try to sit on the same chair
(From first to last)

-someone sat on the chair in preparation phase
-the owner of the chair
-anyone who know the owner the chair
-anyone else who chosed that chair
- If someone tried to sit on a random chair (they will sit on hidden chairs until they are none, and after that begin to sit on the visible chairs)
------------
(the following can sit only on visible chairs, if there is any)
-the failed attempts
(Invalid moves)
-Made no move at action phase (the only exception if you sat on a visible chair during the preparation phase, you don't have to do anything)

any other case is RNGed

as you can see you can sit on random chair even if there are hidden, but this will have the danger that you wont learn the number of the chair.
-If you fail your first attempt for sitting, but you are lucky and there is another visible chair, you will sit on it, learn the number of the chair, but you wont know who owns it.


If anyone fails to sit at the end of the phase following these rules, they will be eliminated from the core game, become a Gaia, all of his chairs will become neutral, and every coin with his name will lose its value.
If there only 1 player left, he will be announced as the winner, and everyone who has any of his coins gets prizes.




if there is no winner after the action phase there will be a voting.
-the vote is secretly (pm me your choice)
-you vote who you want to be the Eliminator this round. the Gaias can vote too, and for the Gaias can be vote too.
-if more player get the most vote all of them will be the Leader this round.
-you can boycotte the vote, to make one move from the preparation phase, but this way you cant vote, and if you recieve the most vote automaticly the second most voted will be chosen, and so fort...
-anyone who did not submit a vote in the voting phase cant be Leader
-vote wont take place if there is only 3 or less alive person.

after the vote there take place the Elimination
-The Leader announce a chair number, and that chair will be removed from the game.
-more leader=more chairs removed.
-If there are no leader voted, the chair with the highest and lowest number will be eliminated from the game.
-During the elimination phase you can submit only phase-free actions if you voted.

phase-free actions (you can do this anytime):
give player-coin(s) to someone (every coin flow need go through me, you cant give Gaia-coins to anyone, you choose which value-coin you give)
teach someone an information about one or more chair (his owner most of the time)
give someone the chair number X (you have to have it, you cant sit this chair in the same round)

signups:
1
2
3
4
5
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Bookmarks and corrent game statistic

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:42 pm

first game:
TE1
preparation phase 1/2 WINNER: BRVR
TE2

corrently T2 in process


1-Jabichuales
2-BRVR
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Re: Musical Chairs- (Liar game edition)

Postby BRVR » Wed Sep 07, 2016 3:50 pm

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Re: Musical Chairs- (Liar game edition)

Postby Jabichuelas » Wed Sep 07, 2016 4:19 pm

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Re: Musical Chairs-signups open (2/5)

Postby Cenvil » Sat Sep 10, 2016 12:41 am

I changed the lines:
any other case the first come first serve is alive (the time they send me their moves)
to
any other case is RNGed
(altough I dont like RNG)

+if you wish we can try the first few games without coins
(Seeing how playable the core game is)
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I want players to this test pls: game viewtopic.php?f=25&t=50804
Spoiler: the game might expand later. This is my very first try
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Re: Musical Chairs-signups open (2/5)

Postby BRVR » Sat Sep 10, 2016 7:52 am

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Re: Musical Chairs-signups open (2/5)

Postby Cenvil » Sun Sep 11, 2016 11:57 am

/sigh
It seems this game failed
do you want you two still give it a try? (I want to see either way, if this can work)

2 player
7 chairs
no coins
no voting phase (both of you eliminate 1 chair/turn)
Spoiler: hope this not count as spamming

I want players to this test pls: game viewtopic.php?f=25&t=50804
Spoiler: the game might expand later. This is my very first try
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Re: Musical Chairs-signups open (2/5)

Postby Jabichuelas » Sun Sep 11, 2016 1:49 pm

Cenvil wrote:/sigh
It seems this game failed
do you want you two still give it a try? (I want to see either way, if this can work)

2 player
7 chairs
no coins
no voting phase (both of you eliminate 1 chair/turn)


Well, if nobody is joining it could work...
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Re: Musical Chairs-signups open (2/5)

Postby BRVR » Mon Sep 12, 2016 1:47 pm

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test edition number 1 with preparation phase 1/2:

Postby Cenvil » Mon Sep 12, 2016 2:13 pm

then begin the test edition number 1 with preparation phase 1/2:

(I am bad writing flavour)

there is 7 chairs each numbered from 1 to 7

both of you have two option

search number X
search random
(the other 3 option is not legit in prep-phase 1/2)

(of course write a number in the place of X)
if by any chance both of you choose the same number, RNG will decide who find it first

you can say your choice here or via PM. (I prefer PM if you dont want the other know what you have chosen)
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I want players to this test pls: game viewtopic.php?f=25&t=50804
Spoiler: the game might expand later. This is my very first try
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Re: MC-TE 1 preparation phase 1/2:

Postby Cenvil » Mon Sep 12, 2016 8:37 pm

Both of you made your first move.
I sent back the results and your possible moves for the next phase. The game advance to preparation phase 2/2
please make your moves
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Re: MC-TE 1 preparation phase 2/2:

Postby Cenvil » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:57 am

Both of you secceded on sit a chair according the rules.
no one is eliminated.

now both of you have to eliminate 1 of the 7 chair.

This elimition is open, write your choice in the thread.

(Voting phase is skipped do to lack of players)
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I want players to this test pls: game viewtopic.php?f=25&t=50804
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Re: MC-TE 1 elimination phase 1

Postby Jabichuelas » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:20 am

/eliminate number 2
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Re: MC-TE 1 elimination phase 1

Postby BRVR » Tue Sep 13, 2016 3:07 pm

/eliminate 4
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Re: MC-TE 1 elimination phase 1

Postby Cenvil » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:20 pm

So both of you picked a chaor you dont want to see anymore

Jabich chose
Chair number 2
Spoiler: It was just a regular chair.

BRVR chose
Chair number 4


Spoiler: It was an another regular chair

Spoiler: oh. Did you assume I will say who had the chosen chairs? That would be to easy for you.
Although in later edition there might be chairs which are triggered upon searching, stealing, sitting or eliminating. However you two have now only 7 regular chair
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Re: MC-TE 1 elimination phase 1

Postby Cenvil » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:27 pm

Round 2 begin.
WARNING! if by any chance you sit on the same chair at the end of the action phase as previous round, you will be eliminated.

there is no visible neutral chair
there is 5 other chair with number: 1,3,5,6 and 7
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Re: MC-TE 1 action phase 2

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:02 pm

both of you made a valid move, the next is the action phase
anyone will be eliminated who dont sit or sit on the same as one round before at the end of the phase
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Re: MC-TE 1 action phase 2

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:49 pm

Both of you tried to sit on the same chair
none of you had it, but both of you did know this was a neutral hidden chair
RNG chose that BRVR could sit on chair number 3
Jabich after he saw he cant take the chair with his last effort he goes for any visible chair.
There was only 1 visible chair, so he automaticly sat on that chair.
Jabich sat on chair number 7.

Jabich sat on the same chair as the round before so he had been eliminated, the winner of first game is BRVR

(It was shorter than I thought)
Moves made will be revealed soon.
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 14, 2016 4:59 pm

Phase-Jabich moves-BRVR moves-chair/knowledge changes
prep1/2-search 7-search random-Jabich obtain chair 7 making it visible-BRVR learn that chair 2 is neutral hidden
Prep2/2-sit 7-steal 2-BRVR obtain chair 2 making it visible
Action-N/A(automaticly skipped cause already sat on a chair)-sit chair number 2
elimination phase was public chair 2 and 4 was eliminated
prep2-search random-sit 7invalid move cause its Test edition I allowed change, search random- both of you learned chair number 3 is neutral hidden
action2-sit 3(failed)->sit 7,-sit 3
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR

Postby BRVR » Wed Sep 14, 2016 5:06 pm

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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR

Postby Cenvil » Wed Sep 14, 2016 10:32 pm

This was unlucky. Moving onwards.

I wont open a new thread, next few game will fit here, if there will be any.

I want a feedback from you two before I open the next signups:

Is it hard to understand the game mechanic?
Was it annoying that I sent possible moves for you when to game goes on? (Although one of you still could send invalid move)
Would you like play it more?
What you think, how could I improve the game?

What do you think about the preparation phase?
-It is good as it is. (2 at first round, 1 in every else)
-Second preparation phase of round 1 is unnecessary.
-all round should have two of it.
-other

Plans for next edition.
-restrict invalid moves, if you send invalid move, you will waste your move at the phase. (In action phase your priority would be over the players who did not send a move, but this wont be on the priority list)
-try follow system.
(If you follow someone you will know what the other did, and what was his result) priority is below hide and above sitting (you wont learn if someone hide a chair)

OP rework: change order move list to priority of moves
(Higher priority moves are take place before lower priority moves in every case)
Spoiler: hope this not count as spamming

I want players to this test pls: game viewtopic.php?f=25&t=50804
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR (questions on board)

Postby Cenvil » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:42 am

OP has been reworked
-now it easier to understand (credits go for DJvoxel)
-Eliminator renamed to Leader.
-Added a rule: if there is no more than 3 alive (and active) player and Gaias the voting phase wont take place. Instead it every alive player will be Leader automaticly.
-added the follow move in the priority list
-added the invalid move in the sitting order
-added the line if more player chose search random ALL of them will learn the same numbef

easter egg:
You can find some of the planned moves on this forum somewhere, if you find it you can pm me which move you want from the list on the next game or suggest a new move. (Of course with the link proven you have found it)
(It goes for anyone not just the two player of the game)
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR (questions on board)

Postby Jabichuelas » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:54 am

xD

gg, /joining the next game
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR (questions on board)

Postby Cenvil » Thu Sep 15, 2016 2:58 am

Jabichuelas wrote:xD

gg, /joining the next game


Pls answer the questions above first.
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Re: MC-TE 1 WINNER: BRVR (questions on board)

Postby Jabichuelas » Thu Sep 15, 2016 3:45 am

Cenvil wrote:
Jabichuelas wrote:xD

gg, /joining the next game


Pls answer the questions above first.


Of course.

Cenvil wrote:This was unlucky. Moving onwards.

I wont open a new thread, next few game will fit here, if there will be any.

I want a feedback from you two before I open the next signups:

Is it hard to understand the game mechanic? Pretty hard for me, but I could understand it.
Was it annoying that I sent possible moves for you when to game goes on? (Although one of you still could send invalid move) You helped me with that, it wasn't annoying.
Would you like play it more? yay
What you think, how could I improve the game? I don't know. Maybe with more people I can think something.

What do you think about the preparation phase?
-It is good as it is. (2 at first round, 1 in every else)
-Second preparation phase of round 1 is unnecessary.
-all round should have two of it.
-other

Plans for next edition.
-restrict invalid moves, if you send invalid move, you will waste your move at the phase. (In action phase your priority would be over the players who did not send a move, but this wont be on the priority list) Or you could PM them telling that was an invalid action and add a time limit for the actions, so they can do a valid one.
-try follow system.
(If you follow someone you will know what the other did, and what was his result) priority is below hide and above sitting (you wont learn if someone hide a chair)

OP rework: change order move list to priority of moves
(Higher priority moves are take place before lower priority moves in every case)
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