Secret Hitler III: Revenge of the Fascists (Canned)

[Rickdaily12]

WHERE IS EVERYONE

PHASE ENDS IN ALMOST 3 HOURS

WHY ARE PEOPLE LIKE THIS

T_T

[Bluedetroyer]

So I should choose Timur?

[Rickdaily12]

Yeah, actually, let's do it that way. I'm willing to make timur the President if he makes EvilD or myself the Chancellor. After that, if it works out pretty well, we can nein until it reaches Timur again, and it won't top deck.

This way, we can be fairly abusive of the term locks.

If he makes EvilD the Chancellor first, nein to timur, make me Chancellor. Then we can nein to me, and I can make EvilD the Chancellor.

Then we can nein to EvilD.

If all of these governments go blue, we actually win right there. All of me, timur, and EvilD have to be Liberal in order for this to work seamlessly.

Otherwise, it's a pretty good bet that EvilD and timur are probably Liberal from my point of view.

So my thoughts are right now, Blue should give the SE to timur.

1. Timur -> EvilD
(nein to)
2. Timur -> Rick
(nein to)
3. Rick -> EvilD
(nein to)
4. EvilD -> (timur? would test 3rd CNH)
(or we can nein to Timur -> Rick or EvilD instead if we wanted to play REALLY safe)

I think the first three governments are solid starts right now, though. I trust timur is Liberal enough to give him the Presidency multiple times unless shenanigans start happening.

(summary of my thoughts on the best winning chances for us:)

Rick, EvilD, timur all have to be Liberal. My point of view says these are likely great odds, and the person I trust least of this trio gets the Presidency only. It brings us to EvilD's Presidency, and if we're lucky, we reach 4-3 on the track in favor of the Liberals in a deck that started off to be 4b 8r.

It's a good deck with a good trio of people likely to be Liberal constantly touching it.

Bluedetroyer, you have less than six hours to choose the next President. Please make sure you don't let it rand. <_< and if you're still here, how do you feel about all this?

Bumping this for Blue:

QED- Blue, if you trust me, then I'm asking you, please SE Timur. It's so crucial that this power doesn't take the rand.

I want to argue with ED if he isn't convinced yet, but time is running out and I'm getting desperate.

If this SE goes to someone like Albanix, we're absolutely screwed.

[Rickdaily12]

EvilD isn't convinced yet that I'm not Hitler.

I think that's insane when you consider how TTR was talking to me when you realize that TTR was Fascist

But yeah, my viewpoint says timur is our best bet.

[Bluedetroyer]

/use power on Timur

[Arcthurus]

EvilD isn't convinced yet that I'm not Hitler.

I think that's insane when you consider how TTR was talking to me when you realize that TTR was Fascist

But yeah, my viewpoint says timur is our best bet.

thats what ive been saying

[Rickdaily12]

/use power on Timur

I'm upset that EvilD and I couldn't work this out together.

I do think this was the best call. At least we now have 48 hours to talk this out.

[Chemist1422]

/use power on Timur

:thumbsup:

[Arcthurus]

so 48 hours starting from now?

[AlbanixAnubibus]

I mean, I can see the logic, but I don't really like this presidency.
I'm fine with a Timur gunpoint, though I would prefer to be gunpointed myself.
I don't want to act paranoid and all, but I really don't want a Fascist with a bullet.
Especially a barely tested person being President first over Chancellor.

[AlbanixAnubibus]

I do have a hope that I'm going to keep quiet for now.

[AlbanixAnubibus]

Hey, we have more posts than the other game threads and we're only halfway done.

[AlbanixAnubibus]

I don't really like Blue sheeping Rick.
I mean, I know he's Liberal, and I'm pretty sure Rick is too, but that's not how he should be playing regardless.

[AlbanixAnubibus]

I just hope that, if Timur gets Ja'd, then he draws FLL so he can't force F.

[Rickdaily12]

I do have a hope that I'm going to keep quiet for now.

(proceeds to continue spamming the thread)

So. Three games. Once as Hitler, twice as Fascist (I presume, because you're playing like you have inside information)

How does playing correspondence as a Fascist feel? The ones over at MU found it pretty stressful, and that was before we introduced them to SHIO meta.

[EvilDeanius0]

I don't really see TTR's outburst as AI, I think he'd get annoyed in general.

I can't really argue with Rick's point here though, there's nowhere for the government to go otherwise. We just have to take the risk that he's not Hitler.

[Rickdaily12]

I don't really see TTR's outburst as AI, I think he'd get annoyed in general.

I don't agree. If he knows I'm Hitler, he really should just trust that I know what I'm doing and not complain about how I was being too overly competitive. It makes me look better for it, and that's exactly what Hitler should be doing.

Those are just odd comments and complaints coming from a Fascist about his Hitler. I understand your general instinct to get paranoid, but not to this extent.

What's your read of timur? Is there any possible world in your mind right now that Albanix was really playing this game for us to unfreeze her Fascist buddy? I don't want to think so.

[EvilDeanius0]

I think he knew that you knew what you were doing, he just didn't find it fun. It kinda reminds me how all the anti-meta people act on SHIO. They care that the game has been reduced to numbers instead of being fun, this is kinda similar as he doesn't find FM fun.

I don't think Timur is fascist, it was pointing out the only way he could be, as Arc asked us if we thought he could be.

[Rickdaily12]

I think he knew that you knew what you were doing, he just didn't find it fun. It kinda reminds me how all the anti-meta people act on SHIO. They care that the game has been reduced to numbers instead of being fun, this is kinda similar as he doesn't find FM fun.

I don't think Timur is fascist, it was pointing out the only way he could be, as Arc asked us if we thought he could be.

I still don't think you should bite your Hitler for that. Or replace out for it. That's just me. I can't fully refute this, but if this weren't me, I'm pretty sure I would think this was odd. <_<

I want to think that Albanix is trying to mindgame us out of not playing two Liberals. I'll bite. I think we can afford to not play Blue, since I think mechanically the likihood of Blue being Fascist is a little bit stronger than timur being Fascist. I think timur can only be Hitler under these circumstances in some wild world.

But gun to my head, if this were Veto Zone right now and you wanted me to name four other people I'm currently leaning Liberal on, it's probably you, timur, Arc, and Blue.

I'm especially struggling to get a better read on ejj, Phone, and dota. Of those three, I think Phone is most likely to flip Liberal- and if not, then I think Phone might be Hitler.

Uzay I'm currently leaning Fascist on. I'm really struggling to forgive his general skepticism of the game so far, or him trying so hard to repeat governments where he's Chancellor when the Presidency was coming to him fairly soon. I tried to explain to him why this was subpar, and I can't tell if his ignorance to it was pure or not.

Blue feels Liberal to me for mechanical reasons. Arc's attempt at solving has gone up, this is more a gut read. I would think both have pretty good Hitler equity as well, though.

I don't think Uzay/ejj/Arc can be Fascists with Albanix- I am extremely doubtful that Albanix would have left all of them in the dust without information. I'm leaning at least two Liberals in that trio so that involving them gets a bit too risky for us.

[Rickdaily12]

I don't think dota/ejj/Arc can be Fascists with Albanix- I am extremely doubtful that Albanix would have left all of them in the dust without information. I'm leaning at least two Liberals in that trio so that involving them gets a bit too risky for us.

ebwop

[Rickdaily12]

So just a big TL;DR:

After you, I think there's a good chance that Hitler is probably in the quad of Phone/Arc/Blue/timur. Otherwise, we'd find a lot of the Liberals in here.

I also think that there's bare minimum 1 Liberal in ejj/dota/Arc, and I want to think there's probably 2.

So my reads most likely need adjusting. We'll see how the situation develops.

[Rickdaily12]

so uzay, dota, since you two are around, how do you think we should use the special gov

i have an idea myself and id like to hear what you two think

just give president to phone

Oh my god, I just noticed this

Dota

Why must you make liberal reading you so impossible to do <_<

why

[Rickdaily12]

Dota and Uzay, mind either of you explaining in what world do either of you EVER as a Liberal want Phone in government in here?

Phone claimed FFF and then checked someone as Liberal. Why would you ever suggest him as President over his Liberal Peek, dota- when Phone is basically saying that he's more Fascist than his Liberal Peek? You do understand we don't want Fascists holding the Presidency either, right?

Uzay, why the hell would we ever make him Chancellor after we established that by not conflicting EvilD or you- that Phone has some pretty high Hitler equity?

Both of these proposals give you terrible looks from me. Nor do I understand why these suggestions are the first both of you dive for.

Please clarify yourselves on this because I don't get your perspectives on this at all.

[Rickdaily12]

Argument between Arc and Uzay around Page 30 feels very TvS to me, leaning very heavy S in favor of Uzay

I see Arc trying to consider the information in front of him and taking reasonable steps to speculate the facts on the information given, followed by Uzay trying to discredit all of those steps and widen the possibilities to convince Arc to subdue himself to what he wants to happen instead.

I'm really struggling to see just about any angle Liberal!Uzay is coming from to the point that I'm almost giving up trying to not just outright read him as Fascist.

[dota2reporter]

so uzay, dota, since you two are around, how do you think we should use the special gov

i have an idea myself and id like to hear what you two think

just give president to phone

Oh my god, I just noticed this

Dota

Why must you make liberal reading you so impossible to do <_<

why

idk man im really off-the-thread