Survivor: CvC- FINALE-The Sole Survivor.

[timurtheking]

Ok i just wanna say:

I was literally a Survivor. Post merge i was constantly voted by enemies and always just survived due to multiple reasons; i built strong alliances with many big threat players that helped shield me/take away some threateningness. I made many bonds with both champs and contestants that secured me to carry on through the game, for example me with jamez, kevin, dota, trans, multi, N even Javi etc all these helped take me further and could often cause vote splits or rogue votes. I also won the challenges I needed too win and stayed loyal to people i trusted.

Although i dont wanna take all credit because me and N did work together alot during premerge and merge stages to spread misinformation and cause vote splits/affect whole TCs.

I also knew what was happening practically every Tc due to the many chats i had even with enemies, this let me gather lots of info.

Idk what else to say in this intro, i though we just had to answer questions first so idk if this is a good opener or bad

[timurtheking]

Oof Do i need to use colour now too?

[transportowiec96]

Tim how did it feel to kill me

[Technetium]

My next few questions are for timur:

3. Why aren't you using color for your opening statement?

4. So how long have you been allied with N, then?

5. Did this alliance persist all the way to final four or were you working against each other at that point?

6. If it persisted to f4, why did you want to take N to FTC? What makes you think you can beat him in FTC?

Another question for N:

7. How long of a time were you working to keep timur in the game, and if you were intending to take him to FTC, why him? What makes you think you can beat him in FTC?

[timurtheking]

Tim how did it feel to kill me

Had to be done my friend, It felt fine since I didn’t trust you or dota’s doubledate alliance much and knew you would cut my throat later in the game while others allies I had like Mush would be less likely too since they were also a big threat and eliminating me would make them more naked.

So yes eliminating a skilled contender such as yourself felt awesome, sorry.

[Chemist1422]

Npromin1, my first question is for you:

In the final chance to play Idols, you played two, neither of which affected the course of the vote. By doing this, you demonstrated that you were capable of finding two idols and bringing them to final six. This seems like it ought to have made you appear to be very much a threat, and discussion in the Outpost at the time indicated that other Jury members apparently saw that as a poor move. Playing an idol on yourself just in case is understandable, but why the second idol play? Did you just want to show off that you had two idols, or was there something else?

Chemist1422, my next question is for you:

You say yourself that you have weaknesses in your strategic game. I'm not sure if this is true, as I don't think I'd know what makes a good strategic game. It's probably good that you recognize things you did wrong, though. What would you say you could have done better from a strategic standpoint?

I think my main issue was trusting the wrong people at the wrong times and not trusting the right people at the right times. Me not trusting N led directly to the gabby elimination (which N lied about until F4 for some reason), then it almost got me eliminated at F6, but didn't because I trusted N to vote with me.

Of course, it's fair to argue that the reason for my distrust was a lie that I couldn't predict, either directly or indirectly from Jamez (he told me after his elimination that N was trying to blindside me and I didn't think he'd have any reason to lie).

[timurtheking]

My next few questions are for timur:

3. Why aren't you using color for your opening statement?
In every pass FtC colour was never used
4. So how long have you been allied with N, then?
since d1 i believe
5. Did this alliance persist all the way to final four or were you working against each other at that point?
it did until i saw N eliminate Sam who wasn’t even a threat just a loyal ally. Then i wanted him out for that reason but mainly cause he is my biggest rival this FTc. No offence to chem but his game had way more holes
6. If it persisted to f4, why did you want to take N to FTC? What makes you think you can beat him in FTC?
chem decided to vote javi with N instead of voting him. I didnt want N here
Another question for N:

7. How long of a time were you working to keep timur in the game, and if you were intending to take him to FTC, why him? What makes you think you can beat him in FTC?

[Chemist1422]

Also with regards to the idol I didn't see myself being in any danger until after F6 except for at F8 and the idol could only have been played on myself (which was probably kind of a mistake to choose as well but All Stars had me paranoid with what happened to myself and Zori)

[dota2reporter]

chem, from what i heard you voted with N because you felt bad about not voting timur out earlier?

This last elimination?

just the entire endgame

[Chemist1422]

My game did have more holes, yes, but I think I did a better job at covering mine than you or N did.

[dota2reporter]

this question isnt really relevant but what did yall think of team contender

[Chemist1422]

chem, from what i heard you voted with N because you felt bad about not voting timur out earlier?

This last elimination?

just the entire endgame

I had formed an alliance with N, gabby, and Javi back on the original tribes, which led to Javi returning and the other three of us surviving until merge. I wasn't actually voting directly with N between the Jamez and gabby eliminations because I didn't trust him due to Jamez's faulty info, but I voted with him on Mush because it was a chance to take out a threat and keep me out of danger, then on Javi because I didn't want to let timur manipulate his way to the F3 he wanted.

[timurtheking]

My game did have more holes, yes, but I think I did a better job at covering mine than you or N did.

Idk if we can counter point but you basically aimed on eliminating me for beig a threat nearly every tribal and failed. You didn’t cover that up much.

Me and N, didn’t really have much holes. Mid merge I personally had less numbers then you ally wise and still overpowered many votes and we ‘baited’ one of your idols.

[Chemist1422]

this question isnt really relevant but what did yall think of team contender

that mega alliance was constantly giving me anxiety throughout early merge

[dota2reporter]

chem, from what i heard you voted with N because you felt bad about not voting timur out earlier?

This last elimination?

just the entire endgame

I had formed an alliance with N, gabby, and Javi back on the original tribes, which led to Javi returning and the other three of us surviving until merge. I wasn't actually voting directly with N between the Jamez and gabby eliminations because I didn't trust him due to Jamez's faulty info, but I voted with him on Mush because it was a chance to take out a threat and keep me out of danger, then on Javi because I didn't want to let timur manipulate his way to the F3 he wanted.

no i mean like
N told me that in F7-8 he asked you to vote timur and you didnt
and after timur started winning immunities you felt bad for not voting with N so stayed loyal to him

is this true?

[timurtheking]

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

[timurtheking]

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

If that doesn’t show some impact i had on the game /shrug

[dota2reporter]

this question isnt really relevant but what did yall think of team contender

that mega alliance was constantly giving me anxiety throughout early merge

nice, nice
good answer

[Chemist1422]

My game did have more holes, yes, but I think I did a better job at covering mine than you or N did.

Idk if we can counter point but you basically aimed on eliminating me for beig a threat nearly every tribal and failed. You didn’t cover that up much.

Me and N, didn’t really have much holes. Mid merge I personally had less numbers then you ally wise and still overpowered many votes and we ‘baited’ one of your idols.

You didn't bait anything

It was my decision to play the idol on myself because by my calculations, I would be safe until about F5

N had the chance to prove that wrong but he didn't, which was a bad move if he really did want to work with me

If he didn't, then there was no reason for him to play the idol on me at F6

[Technetium]

I think my main issue was trusting the wrong people at the wrong times and not trusting the right people at the right times. Me not trusting N led directly to the gabby elimination (which N lied about until F4 for some reason), then it almost got me eliminated at F6, but didn't because I trusted N to vote with me.

Of course, it's fair to argue that the reason for my distrust was a lie that I couldn't predict, either directly or indirectly from Jamez (he told me after his elimination that N was trying to blindside me and I didn't think he'd have any reason to lie).

Ya, I think anyone trusting N, except maybe Timur (and possibly even him), was a probable target.

I say this as someone who made what I thought was a fair deal with N, only for N to not hold his end of the deal up.

Good gameplay? Maybe. Should I still be upset about it? No. Am I still upset about how that elimination went down? Kind of.

Chemist: Is it true that you were attempting to eliminate timur throughout much of the game?

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

Being trusted and liked is a good way to not be a target, if my BtM experience is anything to go by.

[timurtheking]

Sorry bait is a wrong word. Predicted was a better word to use

[Chemist1422]

chem, from what i heard you voted with N because you felt bad about not voting timur out earlier?

This last elimination?

just the entire endgame

I had formed an alliance with N, gabby, and Javi back on the original tribes, which led to Javi returning and the other three of us surviving until merge. I wasn't actually voting directly with N between the Jamez and gabby eliminations because I didn't trust him due to Jamez's faulty info, but I voted with him on Mush because it was a chance to take out a threat and keep me out of danger, then on Javi because I didn't want to let timur manipulate his way to the F3 he wanted.

no i mean like
N told me that in F7-8 he asked you to vote timur and you didnt
and after timur started winning immunities you felt bad for not voting with N so stayed loyal to him

is this true?

In F7-F8 I didn't vote out timur because I didn't fully trust N, yes

After timur started winning immunities I stayed loyal to N because he proved that I could trust him

[Chemist1422]

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

If that doesn’t show some impact i had on the game /shrug

It wasn't because I didn't trust/like you

It was because you clearly thought you could win an F3 with me/you/Javi and I didn't want to make it easier on you

You winning means I lose

[timurtheking]

I think my main issue was trusting the wrong people at the wrong times and not trusting the right people at the right times. Me not trusting N led directly to the gabby elimination (which N lied about until F4 for some reason), then it almost got me eliminated at F6, but didn't because I trusted N to vote with me.

Of course, it's fair to argue that the reason for my distrust was a lie that I couldn't predict, either directly or indirectly from Jamez (he told me after his elimination that N was trying to blindside me and I didn't think he'd have any reason to lie).

Ya, I think anyone trusting N, except maybe Timur (and possibly even him), was a probable target.

I say this as someone who made what I thought was a fair deal with N, only for N to not hold his end of the deal up.

Good gameplay? Maybe. Should I still be upset about it? No. Am I still upset about how that elimination went down? Kind of.

Chemist: Is it true that you were attempting to eliminate timur throughout much of the game?

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

Being trusted and liked is a good way to not be a target, if my BtM experience is anything to go by.

I meant as in he didnt vote out N because he thinks im a threat and doesnt want me to win easy

[timurtheking]

Chem just admitted he didnt vote out a big threat because he doesnt trust/like me 0_0

If that doesn’t show some impact i had on the game /shrug

It wasn't because I didn't trust/like you

It was because you clearly thought you could win an F3 with me/you/Javi and I didn't want to make it easier on you

You winning means I lose

No, i respect how Javi played and he had a very good win chance as well but I think N was the bigger threat between him and javi