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FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:06 pm

Basically cut the VFM queue to make it just a part of special or standard queues. Then we fundamentally change how queues work to be more dynamic. When a games signups are filled, one week after then does the next game on the queue get put into signups. A game will only be taken off signups if no game of it's type is being run and it's been there for a week and hasn't filled. The Standard queue when joining instead of posting a game you will simply stat what of the three setups you wish to run. This is so the episode rolelist is actually played and role meta can actually develop with certain roles. The community voted list will change will be managed much like in the way Creator's Spotlight was done and the top X would be put into the rotation of games for Standard. The standard queue change like this would be debatable.

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  • Community Voted List

Newbie Queue:
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Special Queue:
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I believe there are real benefits to this change. It is more dynamic to our playerbase. Standard becomes less random setups and more defined. Big games in SFM wont stop smaller games from being hosted for such a long time. It also would need less oversight and I think if we have players helping out with NFM it can help new players stick around since there would not be a waiting period ideally.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby 0verki11 » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:28 pm

so that would mean all of what is currently a themed standard would go into the SFM/everything queue correct?
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:40 pm

If a theme isn't changing a rolelist then it wouldn't be needed to be hosted outside Standard.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:17 am

Metrion wrote:If a theme isn't changing a rolelist then it wouldn't be needed to be hosted outside Standard.

What if it’s a standard game with minor changes, instead of NO there’s a traitor, as a simple example.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby TrueGent » Wed Jan 30, 2019 8:53 am

ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:
Metrion wrote:If a theme isn't changing a rolelist then it wouldn't be needed to be hosted outside Standard.

What if it’s a standard game with minor changes, instead of NO there’s a traitor, as a simple example.

Traitor is a vanilla role

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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Phone0Ix » Wed Jan 30, 2019 9:10 am

Does this change the current queues? Like there are lots of slots on Standards currently, and also some in VFM. I understand no changes to NFM and SFM but I'm scared I need to requeue for Standard
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Wed Jan 30, 2019 10:24 am

ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:
Metrion wrote:If a theme isn't changing a rolelist then it wouldn't be needed to be hosted outside Standard.

What if it’s a standard game with minor changes, instead of NO there’s a traitor, as a simple example.


TBH I think that's a discussion to have with the community about how rigid lists should be or not. I can see small changes working like removing or excluding roles from their rand, invest results and all the small ECO stuff. Or we can keep everything the same, the variety can come from the voted lists, and we can have a more reliable system for tesring roles and defining our site's meta.


Phone0Ix wrote:Does this change the current queues? Like there are lots of slots on Standards currently, and also some in VFM. I understand no changes to NFM and SFM but I'm scared I need to requeue for Standard


Any standard games right now would be grandfathered through.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 5:59 pm

Metrion wrote:
ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:
Metrion wrote:If a theme isn't changing a rolelist then it wouldn't be needed to be hosted outside Standard.

What if it’s a standard game with minor changes, instead of NO there’s a traitor, as a simple example.


TBH I think that's a discussion to have with the community about how rigid lists should be or not. I can see small changes working like removing or excluding roles from their rand, invest results and all the small ECO stuff. Or we can keep everything the same, the variety can come from the voted lists, and we can have a more reliable system for tesring roles and defining our site's meta.


Phone0Ix wrote:Does this change the current queues? Like there are lots of slots on Standards currently, and also some in VFM. I understand no changes to NFM and SFM but I'm scared I need to requeue for Standard


Any standard games right now would be grandfathered through.

Well if that's he case I think minor changes, sort of how we have it now would be a good classification, but it seems the point of this is to revise that system. Any ideas would be gr8
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby EvanManManMan » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:00 pm

Games should not have labels at all
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:07 pm

Don't listen to him he's still salty about that whole Jim Crow thing
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby EvanManManMan » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:09 pm

ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:Don't listen to him he's still salty about that whole Jim Crow thing

I'm literally white irl and you know this
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:39 pm

EvanManManMan wrote:
ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:Don't listen to him he's still salty about that whole Jim Crow thing

I'm literally white irl and you know this

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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Alzar » Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:41 pm

im down. games should better reflect the proportion of what the playerbase wants, rather than someong looking at the queues in line and going "well it'll take 3 months for me to be able to host my sfm, so i might as well just not queue"
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Phone0Ix » Thu Jan 31, 2019 5:55 am

Some more questions: What does the vanilla queue mean, is that the same as VFM but the ones without a changed mechanic? And how would the community voted rolelist system work? And how would hosts work? And what is your expectations on how many games running at the same time?
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Thu Jan 31, 2019 8:03 am

Phone0Ix wrote:Some more questions: What does the vanilla queue mean, is that the same as VFM but the ones without a changed mechanic? And how would the community voted rolelist system work? And how would hosts work? And what is your expectations on how many games running at the same time?

  • Vanilla is just a simple list.
  • As said in the OP like the Creator's Spotlight but lists instead of rolecards.
  • Host work exactly the same, with extra games per queue when we switch forums mods can have a setup similar to MS for now other mafia chat option than in forum would have to be used after a certian number of games at the same time.
  • As many games as their are now since or more. Considering it's purely based on how many games can be run, but also is less awkward when their isn't as high a demand.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Phone0Ix » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:08 am

Ok thanks for the help.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Phone0Ix » Thu Jan 31, 2019 9:09 am

I'm assuming you can also submit a closed rolelist through the community voted rolelist, in cooperation with a mod or something?
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 10:44 am

why are you suggesting a change to the community when you could just implement it immediately
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby ChubbyMooshroom9 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 1:51 pm

FMLSheWas12 wrote:why are you suggesting a change to the community when you could just implement it immediately

because handing out Met Game tickets is hard
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:04 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:I'm assuming you can also submit a closed rolelist through the community voted rolelist, in cooperation with a mod or something?


You'd just host closed games in SFM. You can't vote on a lost you don't know.

FMLSheWas12 wrote:why are you suggesting a change to the community when you could just implement it immediately

I posted it a 12am off of a single thought. Maybe people don't like the idea or I'm missing something, or there's input to he given.

EvanManManMan wrote:Games should not have labels at all


It's curated lists, newbie, and non-curated lists. I don't see your point can you explain it further?
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:13 pm

I mean I don’t really love the idea

Our player base isn’t big enough to support it imo
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Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 3:57 pm

Wow that sounds like something reasonable people do
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Metrion » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:00 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:I mean I don’t really love the idea

Our player base isn’t big enough to support it imo


I don't follow. Considering there's less total queues compared to now and games only fill proportioned to our playerbase. Do you think we wont even have 2 normal games full most of the time?

FMLSheWas12 wrote:Wow that sounds like something reasonable people do


Nah dude, lemme just delete 25% of the games real quick.
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby Chemist1422 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:02 pm

I might have misunderstood but this means there are new signups every week
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Re: FM Board Shakeup?

Postby FMLSheWas12 » Thu Jan 31, 2019 4:03 pm

Metrion wrote:
FMLSheWas12 wrote:Wow that sounds like something reasonable people do


Nah dude, lemme just delete 25% of the games real quick.

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