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NFM suggestion

Postby Phone0Ix » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:35 pm

Probs a very dumb suggestion but I think it's fun for new players
Add Tracker, Detective and Crusader to it. This will create more variety with the roles. Also instead of my original idea, I made a new one:

Town Investigative
Town Investigative
Town Protective
Town Investigative or Protective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Mafia Head
Random Mafia
Executioner

This would also add the chaos of Exe in and ppl would doubt each other and stuff.
Maf head would be godfather or caporegime and rm either Blackmailer, Consort, Consigliere, Watcher, Janitor, Framer, or Disguiser. (No prankster because no ts)
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Lookout/Tracker/Blackmailer/Watcher
Sheriff/Doctor/Executioner/Janitor
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby ManateeDude » Tue Oct 16, 2018 2:49 pm

No. Exe is a hated role as it is reliant on RNG. Before stating your desire for a new rolelist you shoukd state why the old one is bad.
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby RAmcius » Tue Oct 16, 2018 3:00 pm

First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby xUltiix » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:08 pm

RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby RAmcius » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:49 pm

xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia


Is this new ToS role or something?
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Phone0Ix » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:58 pm

RAmcius wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia


Is this new ToS role or something?

No. I saw it in a fm game once and also in tg. It's lo and track for mafia right?
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby RAmcius » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:42 am

Phone0Ix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia


Is this new ToS role or something?

No. I saw it in a fm game once and also in tg. It's lo and track for mafia right?


lookout is town watcher, vanilla watcher can be either alignment, but mafia watcher is OP (it would let mafia find PRs easily in games with only town and mafia) and mainly is used in multiball setups.

Mafia have buffed tracker - agent,
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:10 pm

>Caporegime in 2p

Excuse me what the fuck

Also Crusader is like the most overpowered Town Protective role since it is like a Doctor but gets a free Vigi shot upon each successful protection.
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:32 pm

Crusader is buffed marshal
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Varanus » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:36 pm

That's not actually how crusader works you little shits
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Chemist1422 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:37 pm

Varanus wrote:That's not actually how crusader works you little shits

buffed old marshal

like it doesn't work the exact same way but it's way better when cits exist
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby BasicFourLife » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:58 pm

Oh wait I was confusing Crusader with a rework of it where it can kill a person if it successfully prots

Still ToS Crusader in this setup is very powerful
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby JazzMusicStops » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:41 pm

>Crusader
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Kirize12 » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:03 am

Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:31 am

xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia

Why would Mafia need a Lookout-esque role?
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby BasicFourLife » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:16 am

TheWabbit wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia

Why would Mafia need a Lookout-esque role?

To catch PRs
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:21 am

BasicFourLife wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia

Why would Mafia need a Lookout-esque role?

To catch PRs

catching PRs is ez in NFM, especially since 2 of the 3 MS can do it
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby TheWabbit » Fri Oct 19, 2018 9:41 am

BasicFourLife wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia

Why would Mafia need a Lookout-esque role?

To catch PRs

Doesn't Agent fill the same niche basically?
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby BasicFourLife » Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:24 am

TheWabbit wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia

Why would Mafia need a Lookout-esque role?

To catch PRs

Doesn't Agent fill the same niche basically?

Consig does too. It’s just variety + a mafia role which makes Lookout less confirmable. And don’t get me started on that BM/Agent can fake Lookout, because they can but not consistently. Take the latest Episode for example where Mafia had 2 Agents but a single Townie faking their result exposed and instantly confirmed them as Mafia.
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby xUltiix » Sat Oct 20, 2018 11:27 am

RAmcius wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia


Is this new ToS role or something?

No, those are just vanilla names for roles
Watcher is actually the name for both but lookout is what is recognized as watcher here so it is named that to distinguish
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby RAmcius » Sat Oct 20, 2018 12:06 pm

xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:
xUltiix wrote:
RAmcius wrote:First, you can't use roles that aren't used in standard games, whole point of NFM is to teach people, not to make games that are confusing.

Too many town PRs, 1 TP max, 2 TI, 3 maf at least

btw, what's the difference between lookout and watcher?

Lookout is Town, Watcher is Mafia


Is this new ToS role or something?

No, those are just vanilla names for roles
Watcher is actually the name for both but lookout is what is recognized as watcher here so it is named that to distinguish


so, TG crew is using vanilla name for something different than said name is used generally, seems good
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby Kirize12 » Sun Oct 21, 2018 1:05 am

Watcher is the name for a role that targets people and sees who visits them. No alignment is specified, it being normally used as town doesn't mean shit

That said, Osservatore is a much cooler name, and mafia lookout should also be a tracker
Factional balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because they cause Town to win a disproportionate amount

Strategical balance - understanding that whisper games are bad because there's no reason to use any other strategy

Structural balance - understanding that disabling the Mayor's whispers, despite it fixing whisper games, means that a player can't use a core mechanic of the game and is still bad

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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby RAmcius » Sun Oct 21, 2018 2:31 am

Kirize12 wrote:Watcher is the name for a role that targets people and sees who visits them. No alignment is specified, it being normally used as town doesn't mean shit

That said, Osservatore is a much cooler name, and mafia lookout should also be a tracker


Well, when people say watcher, they mean town watcher, i even encountered people calling lookout a watcher in this forum, and please, don't twist my words, i said name "watcher" is generally used to describe town watcher, not role itself
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby JazzMusicStops » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:20 am

Kirize12 wrote:Osservatore is a much cooler name

Is it though or did you just make it up
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Re: NFM suggestion

Postby BasicFourLife » Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:24 am

Kirize12 wrote:Watcher is the name for a role that targets people and sees who visits them. No alignment is specified, it being normally used as town doesn't mean shit

That said, Osservatore is a much cooler name, and mafia lookout should also be a tracker

Osservatore sounds overly complicated and unnecessary while Watcher is a much better name. And no, it should not be a Tracker/Lookout combo. Mafia Lookout is already very strong on its own since it can find several PRs and unlike Agent whose weakness is non-visiting PRs like Medium/Veteran, Watcher doesn't have the weakness of thinking PRs may be Citizens.

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Kirize12 wrote:Osservatore is a much cooler name

Is it though or did you just make it up

He didn't make it up himself, OB did.
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