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Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 9:58 pm
by Metrion
Outsider

You are an Outsider.

Your alignment is Neutral Benign.

You're a hunter who has travelled into Salem with your dog to restock on supplies, as you always have from time to time. On your way out you were stopped, trials had begun and a suspicious character like you wasn't going to be let off the hook so easily. Many unfamiliar citizens wondered to themselves if there was a reason you lived alone in the wilderness, only time would tell.

Each night you may select a player, roleblocking them.
You appear as a member of the Mafia to the Sheriff.

Your alignment may change once:

  • If the Town's numbers are equal to or below majority by one your win condition will change to match their's.
  • If the Mafia only has a single player, your win condition will be changed to match their's and you will join their chat.
  • If visited by a Neutral Killing your win condition will instead be changed to match their's. Should they die, you die.
You win with the Town
You win with the Mafia
You win with Survivors
You win with Witches
You win with Arsonists
You win with Serial Killers
You lose with Bombers
You may spare anyone else.


Your win con can only change once.

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:13 pm
by cmitc1
I like it a lot.

but, I thought we dont use nbs anymore?

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:18 pm
by melanora
Flavor:

Long ago, all of the factions existed together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Mafia Team attacked.

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:21 pm
by ICECLIMBERS
melanora wrote:Flavor:

Long ago, all of the factions existed together in harmony. Then, everything changed when the Mafia Team attacked.

Spoiler:
Reporter Flavor wrote:Making a name for yourself, that's what matters the most to you. However, things have been getting slow in Salem; nothing interesting ever happens here. Everything changed when the fire nation attacked once a leak about the Mafia reached your ears. Chasing down this Mafia could be the big scoop you're looking for!

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 10:23 pm
by cmitc1
I call dibs on making the lore?

"you have always been an outcast, even in this crisis, you are left out, and you are tired of it! you have decided you will help those who need it the most, and finally be popular among your peers."

eh, something along those lines, i will try to rewrite it better later.

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:11 pm
by Varanus
To clarify on that bit with the NK, you mean their win con switches instead of the NK action taking place, correct?

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:16 am
by MaccaMania
Is it night immune?

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:01 am
by FMLSheWas12
Metrion wrote:You are a Outcast.

Yup this is a Metrion RC right here. :geek:

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:03 am
by Hiphoplog
Night immune to NK's it looks. But that's actually kind of funny to think about a NK Escort.
I don't know about another Escort like role though. Like maybe 1 or both of the SFM7 Harpy abilities (maybe without notifications), or a MS Rolestopper. I dunno, just doesn't really feel right to have a second scum escort, makes escort claims a lot weaker.

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 7:08 am
by Hiphoplog
Oh and I think changing the name to Outsider and giving it flavor from The Stranger would also be kind of cool. (Mostly since there is 2 possible translations Stranger or Outsider, but translators chose Stranger.)

Re: Outcast - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:10 am
by Metrion
Varanus wrote:To clarify on that bit with the NK, you mean their win con switches instead of the NK action taking place, correct?


Yes, so any NK stabbing/dousing/mauling/etc them instead recruits.

Kirize12 wrote:This is pretty nice. It can use the roleblock to influence it's win condition.

However, I feel like the roleblock makes it too confirmable and not really a good enough last resort scumclaim, although most players tend not to claim NB anyways so whatever.


I'm still really undecided about the roleblock myself, but it's interesting in that it's an ability that helps any side and also can be used to roleblock a SK to switch alignments. On top it can be a really clutch role in general for either side to have which is generally when it'll be converting.

Consort could probably claim this is lylo to explain earlier scummy blocks, but I would like it to be more claimable in general so it's very possible another night action fits this better, it just needs to fill out the same criteria.

cmitc1 wrote:I call dibs on making the lore?

"you have always been an outcast, even in this crisis, you are left out, and you are tired of it! you have decided you will help those who need it the most, and finally be popular among your peers."

eh, something along those lines, i will try to rewrite it better later.


Already had the lore made, just had to post it quickly last night.

Hiphoplog wrote:Oh and I think changing the name to Outsider and giving it flavor from The Stranger would also be kind of cool. (Mostly since there is 2 possible translations Stranger or Outsider, but translators chose Stranger.)


I like that name better.

Hiphoplog wrote:Night immune to NK's it looks. But that's actually kind of funny to think about a NK Escort.
I don't know about another Escort like role though. Like maybe 1 or both of the SFM7 Harpy abilities (maybe without notifications), or a MS Rolestopper. I dunno, just doesn't really feel right to have a second scum escort, makes escort claims a lot weaker.


Rolestopper is much more confirmable. Luring and blocking might work, but it feels really strong on town maybe some sort of modification based on those actions to make it digestable for each faction? I'm not sure, I'll tinker around with some stuff.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:38 am
by ShortcutButton
What happens if witch visits?

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:07 am
by Metrion
ShortcutButton wrote:What happens if witch visits?

They get witched.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:34 am
by ShortcutButton
Metrion wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:What happens if witch visits?

They get witched.

Oh

I meant that maybe the witch would convert him just like NK does

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:39 am
by JazzMusicStops
Looks good meat

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:54 am
by Metrion
ShortcutButton wrote:
Metrion wrote:
ShortcutButton wrote:What happens if witch visits?

They get witched.

Oh

I meant that maybe the witch would convert him just like NK does


Nope, I think that's a bit too strong for Witch to convert them early to be pure anti-town.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:16 pm
by Hiphoplog
Yeah I was thinking a silent siren could work, but the problem is that Siren roles are very suicidal. It would be great to mess with Sheriff or Framer, but Vigilante and Mafia being redirected to you is terrible.
I don't know about fully immunity though. That's really powerful of an ability, they are already immune to NK's, but I think they at least should be able to be killed by Vigilante or Mafia if they wanted.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 12:22 pm
by Hiphoplog
Oh so like a redirected kill wouldn't go through, but a direct kill would?

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:34 pm
by ChubbyMooshroom9
What if two different alignments visit it in one night? What happens?

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:39 pm
by JazzMusicStops
ChubbyMooshroom9 wrote:What if two different alignments visit it in one night? What happens?

nothing unless they're both NK

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:59 pm
by Hiphoplog
If it was SK/Arso they probably join SK and be doused.
SK/Stalker join SK and be stalked.
Stalker/Arso ???
SK/Sk join Sk and die
Also/Arso join Arso and doused.
Stalker/Stalker stalker and die.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:23 pm
by Cyantic
roleblocking is pretty good of an ability imo, although typically needs to be used in tandem with something to be really effective. also, if you're claiming roleblocker as scum you're either doing it horrifically wrong or desperate as hell (alternatively - bizarre gambits). you don't want to have a main ability be directed and scrutinized

does the outsider receive any information on who they've been changed wincon wise for neutral killings? i presume they would, but it isn't mentioned

also

Metrion wrote:only tome would tell.


it's a met rc

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:31 pm
by Hiphoplog
Being told they now win with a NK is vague so it's probably they are told which.

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:06 pm
by chitownmvp01
So basically a role that can only win with a struggling faction.

I still like it though.

/support

Re: Outsider - Neutral Benign

PostPosted: Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:37 pm
by Cyantic
Hiphoplog wrote:Being told they now win with a NK is vague so it's probably they are told which.


i was thinking more usefully a name