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Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:17 am
by Bottlenose
i don't feel it's necessary as someone who just hosted their first game but maybe that's just because of my experience

in my opinion as long there is good communication between hosts and moderators there shouldn't be many problems if any

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:20 am
by chitownmvp01
Bottlenose wrote:i don't feel it's necessary as someone who just hosted their first game but maybe that's just because of my experience

in my opinion as long there is good communication between hosts and moderators there shouldn't be many problems if any


Fair, but Schultz was very involved in 15E and things still went downhill.

I also added to the suggestion that people who fail to fulfill the requirement who are currently on queues should be grandfathered.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 6:16 am
by Chemist1422
chitownmvp01 wrote:
chitownmvp01 wrote:
ZSSDistortion wrote:
Varanus wrote:It's just greater than 50% of the votes


ye


I didn't know. I thought majority was 45% or something.

Well to be on topic, a suggestion I have is to have the FM Main Hub and/or the ECO as one of the announcements under Game Threads. I know this sounds kinda lazy, but it just makes it more easy/convenient to find. I often find myself looking for the ECO, and it would be nice to be able to access it in 1-2 clicks.


Well nobody commented on this suggestion, but I have another one to offer.

Because of issues with multiple games with inexperienced hosts being canned lately (no offense). I am suggesting that all first time hosts should be required to host a VFM or basic SFM (Basic setup for the amount of players in a TFM) or if they host any other type of game, they should have an experienced co-host.

Exceptions to this rule would be having hosting experience in TG and/or other Mafia sites. If one falls in this exception, they can host any type of game solo (except for NFM, as I think the NFM hosting requirement should remain the same) or with another co-host who falls under this exception.

People who fail to fulfill this requirement currently on the queue should be grandfathered.

Thoughts?

Depends on what you mean by experienced co-host, and what is grandfathered?

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:01 am
by Eragon1329
I raise a motion to have a multi-quote button.

Where, instead of quoting one message at a time, you can click a sub-quote button next to regular quote button and all of those appear in your “quoted message”

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:38 am
by Varanus
Phpbb kappa

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:45 am
by lemonader666
when will [post] be fixed so that it links to the X post in the thread not the X post in the entire forums

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:04 am
by ElderSivart
lemonader666 wrote:when will [post] be fixed so that it links to the X post in the thread not the X post in the entire forums

As far as I can tell this isn't possible because phpbb doesn't track X post in the thread.

I could be wrong though I haven't looked into it all that much.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:01 am
by chitownmvp01
Chemist1422 wrote:
chitownmvp01 wrote:
chitownmvp01 wrote:
ZSSDistortion wrote:
Varanus wrote:It's just greater than 50% of the votes


ye


I didn't know. I thought majority was 45% or something.

Well to be on topic, a suggestion I have is to have the FM Main Hub and/or the ECO as one of the announcements under Game Threads. I know this sounds kinda lazy, but it just makes it more easy/convenient to find. I often find myself looking for the ECO, and it would be nice to be able to access it in 1-2 clicks.


Well nobody commented on this suggestion, but I have another one to offer.

Because of issues with multiple games with inexperienced hosts being canned lately (no offense). I am suggesting that all first time hosts should be required to host a VFM or basic SFM (Basic setup for the amount of players in a TFM) or if they host any other type of game, they should have an experienced co-host.

Exceptions to this rule would be having hosting experience in TG and/or other Mafia sites. If one falls in this exception, they can host any type of game solo (except for NFM, as I think the NFM hosting requirement should remain the same) or with another co-host who falls under this exception.

People who fail to fulfill this requirement currently on the queue should be grandfathered.

Thoughts?

Depends on what you mean by experienced co-host, and what is grandfathered?


Experienced meaning people who have hosted here before without issue. Could make it a certain number of games, but at base it should be 1. Grandfathered means that people who were added to the queue before the rule gets added aren't removed.

Also added that previous hosting experience from TG or other Mafia sites can't be fully of mistakes in order to count.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:57 am
by Varanus
Fuck it, I'll try to make some phpbbcode for that. It'll require a script to pull current topic number, but it should be doable.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:16 pm
by ICECLIMBERS
A multipost option is implemented on MS, so it is possible on phpBB. We would need TurdPile to implement it, however...

Limiting the types of games that new hosts can host will clog up those queues and make it take longer to have hosts. 15E was a one-off event. The best solution is to make people aware of knowing their limits. If they don't think they can handle complex games then they can opt for a simpler setup, such as the episodic one. 15E crammed a lot of roles into it, and it failed because of errors regarding role mechanics (at least take 2 did, I don't know why it was rebooted).

Edit: Information leak, which is rare.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:19 pm
by chitownmvp01
ICECLIMBERS wrote:A multipost option is implemented on MS, so it is possible on phpBB. We would need TurdPile to implement it, however...

Limiting the types of games that new hosts can host will clog up those queues and make it take longer to have hosts. 15E was a one-off event. The best solution is to make people aware of knowing their limits. If they don't think they can handle complex games then they can opt for a simpler setup, such as the episodic one. 15E crammed a lot of roles into it, and it failed because of errors regarding role mechanics (at least take 2 did, I don't know why it was rebooted).


Take 1's integrity was ruined by someone quoting their role card, which had a significant outcome on the game based on their role. You have a fair point about the queues getting clogged though.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:50 pm
by UzayAltay
@Varanus , I realized A thing , I Dont know How Will You use that , there is A way to find post is on which page . For example , Lets look chitownmvp' above post . The url is
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=44130&start=550#p2870358

550/25+ 1 = 23 , and Yes , we are on 23.page .

Lets look Another example .
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=44130&start=450#p2488836

.
450/25+1 = 19 , This post is on page 19 .


I Dont know How would This help You , but I feel This may help You

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:12 pm
by Varanus
That is indeed how pages work. 25 posts per page, and the url just links to which post should be first on the page.
I used this in my iso script, and will likely use it in what I make here, to make a link to a page of posts with the desired post as the first one.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:06 pm
by ICECLIMBERS
In the meantime

Spoiler:

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:36 pm
by ManateeDude
15E only failed because I missed a clearly marked action in the chat. It had little to do with the feedback.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:25 pm
by UzayAltay
ManateeDude wrote:15E only failed because I missed a clearly marked action in the chat. It had little to do with the feedback.

Actually it was failed Because Strongman cant pierce immunity but We informed Strongman can pierce immunity .

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:32 pm
by Schultz128
15E failed for numerous reasons. This is not the place to discuss it. Go to the game thread for that.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 6:08 pm
by BasicFourLife
Why do NFM games contain the old ECO?

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:37 pm
by melanora
BasicFourLife wrote:Why do NFM games contain the old ECO?


Because people keep quoting an old game post and then I edit them to include the new one but then people go back and quote an old one again.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:51 pm
by chitownmvp01
melanora wrote:
BasicFourLife wrote:Why do NFM games contain the old ECO?


Because people keep quoting an old game post and then I edit them to include the new one but then people go back and quote an old one again.


I quoted from NFM57, so I think I was fine then. I think it's always best as a NFM host to quote the opening few posts from games that you've hosted since you're a FM Moderator. Best bet for maximum accuracy.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:50 am
by ICECLIMBERS
I have some suggestions regarding the queue. To begin I'd reiterate that the queues threads should be merged into one masterthread so that the signup forum is less clogged. I really doubt TP is going to give us some subforums to move old signups into. Next I'd like to bring up the SFM queue. The games there can vary in size and time requirements so the amount of time taken for them to run can vary more than standards and VFMs. Schultz's game was in signups for two weeks and by the time it concluded there was almost two months spent on that game. Meanwhile a 25p GIM filled up relatively quickly and will likely take less time to conclude. I don't see why we can't start another SFM while another is nearing an end (especially in cases where the ending takes a long time). I understand that mafia chats can be an issue but there are two things I'd point out about that. First is that while I find mafia chats outside of the forums cumbersome and limiting in the amount of content that you can post some hosts have moved towards them, such as Schultz with his SFM. Next is that I'm pretty sure both Alzar and Met have a mafia chat that can be used. Hosting an extra game shouldn't be an issue as long as signups are staggered well. Right now we have 2 standards, 1 NFM, 1 VFM, and 1 SFM. That's only 5 games but most players will not play in an NFM and VFMs are usually only around 13p. Right now the SFM queue has a lot of backlog and it'd be good to get it moving more quickly so we can play in Met's game people can host their games.
Also I don't like how now the only games that resemble episodes are the episodes, meanwhile we also have experimental roles that I'd like to see tested (Traitor, Silencer, even Klepto/Warlock are still underused despite being around for a while) so extra modslots isn't something I'd complain about.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:10 pm
by Schultz128
I think depending on the situation, two SFMs at once is doable. We'll discuss this in the team and get back to you guys on this eventually.

And I completely agree with the Standard argument. I personally think with the two standards running, one should always be for testing and the other for your typical standard.

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:32 pm
by chitownmvp01
Schultz128 wrote:I think depending on the situation, two SFMs at once is doable. We'll discuss this in the team and get back to you guys on this eventually.

And I completely agree with the Standard argument. I personally think with the two standards running, one should always be for testing and the other for your typical standard.


Personally, I liked it better when we had a SFM and TFM queue. I think smaller games should be separated from larger games (MS does this). Small vs. Large is a pretty significant factor and I believe many players prefer one over the other. Like ICE said, while your game took almost 2 months was running, one or more smaller SFMs could have potentially been completed. Also, there are probably players in our player base who prefer smaller SFM games over larger ones. If smaller games keep getting backlogged due to large ones that take nearly 2 months to complete, players who favor smaller games are less likely to be active on the site. This is especially important with players who are newer to the site because if we go long periods of time without running a game that they're interested in playing, we are less likely to retain them.

I don't see any issue with running a smaller, quicker SFM game like Steins;Gate at the same time as a larger SFM that takes at least a month to complete.

Other than modslots and episodes, Standards are dependent on what's up in the queue? Maybe create a separate queue for testing experimental roles?

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:41 pm
by xUltiix
Closed standards and heavily changed standards should be limited to a much higher extent than they are now
Episodic rolelists are still archaic and different from what is more used for standard games today, 13v6 isn't often used in anything outside of the episode

Re: Questions, Answers & Suggestions

PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:45 am
by ICECLIMBERS
Schultz128 wrote:I think depending on the situation, two SFMs at once is doable. We'll discuss this in the team and get back to you guys on this eventually.

And I completely agree with the Standard argument. I personally think with the two standards running, one should always be for testing and the other for your typical standard.

People should still be able to host what they want, but I think modslots can be used for stuff that catches player interest or for testing out episode-like rolelists (16B is a good example of this).