Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation [Poll]

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Who should represent ToS at the Mafia 2020 Championship?

Poll ended at Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:40 pm

Chemist1422
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TheWabbit
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dota2reporter
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Eragon1329
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Total votes : 32

Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby TheDebil » Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:44 am

TheWabbit wrote:is it just me or is the setup a bit townsided

regardless

nominating eragon, dota, and chemist because they're cool people

last season scum won a good 80% percent of the games if memory doesnt serve me wrong
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:07 pm

TheDebil wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:is it just me or is the setup a bit townsided

regardless

nominating eragon, dota, and chemist because they're cool people

last season scum won a good 80% percent of the games if memory doesnt serve me wrong

It does

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:10 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting

The threads only been up for three days! :P There's no rush! But yeah, I'll give it a couple more days, then I'll make a voting thread maybe this weekend.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby SparkingJay » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:12 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting


I'm definitely not good enough to compete, so imma have to decline for now lol thanks fwog anyways.

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby orangeandblack5 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:16 pm

/nominate TPA
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:18 pm

SparkingJayYT wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting


I'm definitely not good enough to compete, so imma have to decline for now lol thanks fwog anyways.

Actually, after Chemist, Dota, Ejji, and Eragon, you and Acidic were on my short list with regard to who I kinda hoped to see get nominated. If you're really serious though, I'll put you in the declined list. :P
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:19 pm

orangeandblack5 wrote:/nominate TPA

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:19 pm

Second post in the thread has been updated to include current nominations as well as those people who do not wish to be nominated. Let me know if anything is incorrect.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:32 pm

TheDebil wrote:
TheWabbit wrote:is it just me or is the setup a bit townsided

regardless

nominating eragon, dota, and chemist because they're cool people

last season scum won a good 80% percent of the games if memory doesnt serve me wrong

that's because mad17 is a terrible setup and there is no optimal strategy as town that allows you to efficiently utilize given abilities, as there are mechanics that keep you in check

this setup is basically a 12v3 with two JOATs

i don't know if they utilize a balance formula of some sort but i'm familiar with the (# of town = # of scum + 1) and this game requires a minimum of 4 mislynches to reach parity with town as scum, which gives time, numbers, and roles favorable to town

i'm not even factoring in the two heals within the cycles, which would further fuck up scum's tempo

with 2AM calculations scum would have to get rid of two-thirds of the Town as opposed to 60% minimum, which is quite a step

if i'm to consider that this is done in a regular ToSFM setting (iirc we're in the badlands) town would probably win at least twice as much as scum would, given that ToSFM!wolves excel in deepwolfing by being mechanically cleared rather than through elaborate dayplay, which isn't a good strategy to take with this setup given how limited two JOATs would be in a PR claimspace

odds might shift fairly if you think of it more as players that have relatively stronger dayplays (by which it should live on with somewhere close as mountainous, balancing out the scumsided nature of such setup), but with different communities, there may be culture shock of some sort that will drop this down a bit

i haven't seen MU outside cow's jester hell game so i can't really say for sure if it's balanced relative to the overall performance of players so that's that
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Royee » Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:54 pm

wait it is 12 v 3
who the hell designed this setup, fire them.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby watchme1 » Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:48 pm

Royee wrote:wait it is 12 v 3
who the hell designed this setup, fire them.


They needed 150 communities and 10 games don't blame them c:
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Royee » Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:15 pm

watchme1 wrote:
Royee wrote:wait it is 12 v 3
who the hell designed this setup, fire them.


They needed 150 communities and 10 games don't blame them c:

It doesn't mean it has to be unbalanced.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby LOLingHyena » Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:20 pm

Royee wrote:
watchme1 wrote:
Royee wrote:wait it is 12 v 3
who the hell designed this setup, fire them.


They needed 150 communities and 10 games don't blame them c:

It doesn't mean it has to be unbalanced.

I haven't read the discussion thread about the setup yet, but if it's as townsided as you guys are suggesting, I bet they did it so that scum wouldn't win nearly all the games this year like they did last year, lol.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Varanus » Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:12 pm

Taking a bunch of people that all have next to 0 experience playing with each other and putting them in one game is inherently scum sided
The numbers help make up for that

Not like town PRs are particularly strong anyway
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby TheWabbit » Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:02 pm

Varanus wrote:Taking a bunch of people that all have next to 0 experience playing with each other and putting them in one game is inherently scum sided
The numbers help make up for that

Not like town PRs are particularly strong anyway

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby MichaelgRook » Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:30 am

UwU I like this years setup and not just because I have a soft spot for JOAT's
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby SparkingJay » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:13 am

LOLingHyena wrote:
SparkingJayYT wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting


I'm definitely not good enough to compete, so imma have to decline for now lol thanks fwog anyways.

Actually, after Chemist, Dota, Ejji, and Eragon, you and Acidic were on my short list with regard to who I kinda hoped to see get nominated. If you're really serious though, I'll put you in the declined list. :P

Yeah, I'd rather see someone else do it instead. :PepeNice:

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby AcidicBreeze » Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:45 am

Ill have to decline.
Im honestly good with the other 4 nominations and wouldnt mind any of them.
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby JacksonVirgo » Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:16 am

AcidicBreeze wrote:Ill have to decline.
Im honestly good with the other 4 nominations and wouldnt mind any of them.

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby S0me0ne23 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:02 am

10v3 is standard balance in a vanilla setup with strong pr influence (such as a cop with a n0)
giving town an extra mislynch is fair compensation for weaker prs
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby orangeandblack5 » Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:35 am

I wouldn't say the two JOATs are that much weaker, personally

But I do think in the context of champs it should work fine
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Chemist1422 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:06 am

LOLingHyena wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting

The threads only been up for three days! :P There's no rush! But yeah, I'll give it a couple more days, then I'll make a voting thread maybe this weekend.

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation

Postby Varanus » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:40 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
LOLingHyena wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:wabbit/dota/me/eragon/acidic/sparking are the non-declined noms

at what point are we gonna move from nominating to voting

The threads only been up for three days! :P There's no rush! But yeah, I'll give it a couple more days, then I'll make a voting thread maybe this weekend.

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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation [Poll]

Postby dota2reporter » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:47 pm

Oh cool, it's time

Alright, so my campaign is simple
As some of you know, I was a complete shitter in 2015-16 and had a terrible reputation, but as you can see came back as a pretty normal guy
I personally think that it'd be hilarious if somebody with a past like mine would represent ToS forums
Tell somebody in 2016 I'd be a nomination in 2020 - they'd think you're crazy
I'd also probably super positive and stuff and probably not get lynched ((hopefully))

I don't promise skill though, if you want skill - vote the other guys, they're better than me for sure (at least in my opinion)
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Re: Mafia Championship 2020 | Official Invitation [Poll]

Postby Eragon1329 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:48 pm

Support TheWabbit for MU rep so he can show the hawtness of ToS to MU

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