LOL. Asking reason for vote =/= defending voted person 1. Don't edit my quotes to twist my words. I am fairly certain I asked this to 2 other people except you ad well. 2. Since there has been an uproar regarding the sheriff claim of betel, votes on them hardly seem random. It's funny how betel is the leading wagon rn and you call it random. 3. Why SHOULD we be voting him up, over other people here?
Your overdefensiveness on a simple question is causing you to slip lower in my current reads.
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:03 am
by GrumpyGoomba
GrumpyGoomba wrote:LOL. Asking reason for vote =/= defending voted person 1. Don't edit my quotes to twist my words. I am fairly certain I asked this to 2 other people except you as well. 2. Since there has been an uproar regarding the sheriff claim of betel, votes on them hardly seem random. It's funny how betel is the leading wagon rn and you call it random. 3. Why SHOULD we be voting him up, over other people here?
Your overdefensiveness on a simple question is causing you to slip lower in my current reads.
ebwop
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:19 am
by spiderpoolcorps
GrumpyGoomba wrote:LOL. Asking reason for vote =/= defending voted person 1. Don't edit my quotes to twist my words. I am fairly certain I asked this to 2 other people except you ad well. 2. Since there has been an uproar regarding the sheriff claim of betel, votes on them hardly seem random. It's funny how betel is the leading wagon rn and you call it random. 3. Why SHOULD we be voting him up, over other people here?
Your overdefensiveness on a simple question is causing you to slip lower in my current reads.
1. I didn't edit it to try and twist your words, I was just trying to keep the quote at parts that were relevant to me, no malicious intent with that, apologies 2. Well past discussion as said it was random /shrug. The first vote was random at least, the others were following. 3. Because he started off the random voting, that was why I initally voted for him
I wasn't being overdefensive, just simply noticed that you were defending him out of no where
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:28 am
by spiderpoolcorps
spiderpoolcorps wrote:1. I didn't edit it to try and twist your words, I was just trying to keep the quote at parts that were relevant to me, no malicious intent with that, apologies 2. Well past discussion as said it was random /shrug. The first vote was random at least, the others were following. 3. Because he started off the random voting, that was why I initally voted for him
I wasn't being overdefensive, just simply noticed that you were defending him out of no where.
I guess it just seemed like defending, since I'm more used to TOS, and scum there usually question votes. Still have a lot to learn it seems
ebwop, I missed your edit
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:40 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:45 am
by woahah
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:45 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
The sheriff claim is not alignment indicative for f***s sake
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:51 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
Mandatory: Spoiler:A quick note about WW theory and how I will play this game. Note that the arguments and facts presented here are indisputable, and that I will not engage in arguments about them, because those arguments are you wasting everyone else's time about meta that is well and comprehensively established. Go make reads so we can read you.
I've reflected on my role and realized that there is a GOAT play for me in this game, and therefore I am compelled to pursue it. I am going to brute force my clearness immediately upon the opening of the thread.
I am hard-claiming, I am the SK.
Benefits:
1. I will survive tonight: I do not believe the wolves are able to kill me tonight, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would ever do this as the SK. I believe that this decision reduces the importance of the SK cover to be provided by all of you to the point of it being negligible. The wolves have already been outplayed, as it were.
2. I'm lock clear: All of you already know I'm lock clear, because it is so objectively unlikely that I would do this as a villager. You know this for at least two reasons. First, this is the easiest, lowest-stress, lowest-demand game to play in that I've ever played in (except for turbos). I have no need to complicate my life, as a villager, by open-claiming on thread open, when all I have to do is provide like a C-level villa game to probably win. This is the rare instance where you literally know that I have a billion other options as a villager, AND that I would pursue probably ALL of them before pursuing this. Second, I engage in FPS exceedingly rarely, which necessarily means that I *know* that this will look WEIRD and SHOCKING to you. There is no merit to a villa play that instantly generates WEIRD and SHOCKED responses that I would be obligated to finesse and manage for the remainder of the game. As the SK, which I am, the burden is totally on you to not $#@! up and lynch me. Makes my life super awesome.
3. There are only 12 players you need to try to read, rather than 13: I have already provided a "free" check of me in a game with a mere 13 players. Our win equity is dramatically improved by my being entirely off the table for the entire game.
Conclusion:
The burden of sound reasoning is now entirely upon you. I am the SK, and thus not a villager, and thus lock clear. The game is immediately simpler than it would otherwise have been, because of my decision. Now, let us enjoy that benefit and win the game.
Also, to preempt a lengthy and pointless discussion.
It is NOT dumb to ponder this post and convince yourself of its wisdom. That is your obligation as a villager, and I encourage you to think it over for as long as it takes to quell your (initially valid but ultimately unnecessary) concerns.
It IS dumb to, AFTER doing that pondering, conclude that I'm "neutral" or "wolfy." That is legitimately stupid, and I won't entertain it. ONE of the reasons it is a stupid conclusion is that the upside of this play as a villager is absolutely DWARFED by the upside of this play as a wolf. There is no equivalency between the EV gain for wolf-me in this position and villager-me in this position. They're universes apart. That means I wouldn't DO the poorer option of the two (by extension, villager-me also wouldn't BELIEVE that I could convince the entire game of the truth of these assertions for the entire game, which as an end-game villa I would have to believe if this strategem were to be worth pursuing). A SECOND reason that conclusion is stupid is that the EV bonus of doing this as a villager is COMPLETELY DWARFED by me baseline villager EV anyway. Anything that complicates my townie life is RIDICULOUSLY stupid for me to do, given that my townie life is ALREADY one of the smoothest, highest expectation townie lives in WW history anyway. A THIRD reason that conclusion is stupid is that you would probably have to worry about being EXPLOITED by this gambit in order to get there. However, I have NEVER engaged in this, or any similar, gambit in my entire career, meaning that if there IS exploitation to be had with this play, it is in FUTURE GAMES, not this game. For these reasons, pressuring me is extremely wolfy and should not be engaged in by any villager, ever, in this game. There will be no less productive pursuit than that in this game.
Sucks for the wolves when meta is wielded this brutally, but my allegiance is plain and my strategy perfect. Get #rekt.
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:51 am
by Chemist1422
Good morning Zori
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:53 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
Good morning Chemist What have I replaced into its like NFM all over again
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:54 am
by woahah
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
The sheriff claim is not alignment indicative for f***s sake
you dont specify at all do you it only took a 'the' for it to actually make sense
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:55 am
by Chemist1422
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Good morning Chemist What have I replaced into its like NFM all over again
It's basically an NFM but your slot already broke like four FM rules
Just a normal day
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:56 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
The sheriff claim is not alignment indicative for f***s sake
you dont specify at all do you it only took a 'the' for it to actually make sense
Mafbe you should've asked just for that instead of a general basket question?
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:56 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
Seth once again breaks FM rules It's a normal day
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:10 am
by woahah
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
The sheriff claim is not alignment indicative for f***s sake
you dont specify at all do you it only took a 'the' for it to actually make sense
Mafbe you should've asked just for that instead of a general basket question?
you could of meant claiming sherrif is NAI
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Seth once again breaks FM rules It's a normal day
again?
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:12 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Agree with watchme. D1 claims are absolutely unnecessary. It is even unlikely to be a vet bait since he asked to be protected. That would just get the protective roles killed. But imo I don't see it being scum because imo scum wouldn't do something this drastic and attention mongering this early in the game. Hopefully it was a joke. Let's wait for betel to explain himself.
pocketing reeeeeee
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:15 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:SHERIFF CLAIM IS NAI FFS
what does this even mean
The sheriff claim is not alignment indicative for f***s sake
you dont specify at all do you it only took a 'the' for it to actually make sense
Mafbe you should've asked just for that instead of a general basket question?
you could of meant claiming sherrif is NAI
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Seth once again breaks FM rules It's a normal day
again?
1. this discussion is getting nowhere, and it's pointless 2. The first game he played, he told his role to someone else out of the game thread then he created an alt-account (maybe 2?) to try to evade the ban
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:17 am
by TheWabbit
Chemist1422 wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Good morning Chemist What have I replaced into its like NFM all over again
It's basically an NFM but your slot already broke like four FM rules
Just a normal day
LOL
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:17 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
Is it just me, or is Goomba LAMISTing a ton
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:18 am
by woahah
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Is it just me, or is Goomba LAMISTing a ton
LAMIST?
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:18 am
by TheWabbit
look at me i'm so townie
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:20 am
by ZoruaLuhansk
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Is it just me, or is Goomba LAMISTing a ton
LAMIST?
basically as tryharding to a level their town selves would not
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:24 am
by Phone0Ix
jammingduck wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
spiderpoolcorps wrote:/vote Betelgeuse44
Random voting already smh, put an end to thiss
jammingduck wrote:
Betelgeuse44 wrote:/vote NightmareMoon
/Vote Betelgeuse44
Why are you voting a potential duckling?
Welcome tl the world of RVS
What do remote video systems have to do with this?
I mean Random Voting Stage with RVS xD
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:27 am
by woahah
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:
woahah wrote:
ZoruaLuhansk wrote:Is it just me, or is Goomba LAMISTing a ton
LAMIST?
basically as tryharding to a level their town selves would not
oh ok
Re: 18B | Day 1
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 6:28 am
by Phone0Ix
NightmareMoon wrote:/vote betelgeuse44 i guess
/vote NightmareMoon Who puts somebody on 3 votes at the start of the game
Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:02 am