At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.
I didn't realize tfios ended up on the Crimson wagon, move them down a tier
I think there's at least one wolf not voting just because the crimson wagon is literally everyone in my top three tiers, and I doubt wolves doubled down on cupcake
Are You saying "one wolf Except cupcake " ? Otherwise This post Dont make sense .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:16 am
by UzayAltay
GrumpyGoomba wrote:I assume deepwolf means scum that are trying to act townie by sacrificing their scum teammates. at All cost
That seems A better explanation Even though not complete
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:36 am
by tfiosforevah
UzayAltay wrote:First Note : I saw Dash's claim , not voting due not knowing VC . Also assuming cupcake is scum from onward, Unless A CC came .
At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.
I didn't realize tfios ended up on the Crimson wagon, move them down a tier
I think there's at least one wolf not voting just because the crimson wagon is literally everyone in my top three tiers, and I doubt wolves doubled down on cupcake
Are You saying "one wolf Except cupcake " ? Otherwise This post Dont make sense .
I agree, we need to have a vote count before anymore people vote on cupcake. And to be clear, do NOT counter claim cop at this point, we don’t have a doc anymore so cc’ing this early is stupid
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:41 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense
or
1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson
if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}
if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}
Why uzay?
PoE on crimson's wagon
Which means your PoE sucks 1) You immadieatly assumed Both Goomba and protoo as town .You are probably right about there is max 1 scum ( expecting SK , SK can always change Numbers .) , but You are forgetting Goomba / protoo can be coached . 2) You assumed Ej/me , me/Pool , but not Ej/Pool . If I am in A Pool with other players , You not accepting Ejj/Pool should have A reason.
I know 1 isnt connected to me , but it is still A mistake.
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:43 am
by UzayAltay
tfiosforevah wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:First Note : I saw Dash's claim , not voting due not knowing VC . Also assuming cupcake is scum from onward, Unless A CC came .
At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.
I didn't realize tfios ended up on the Crimson wagon, move them down a tier
I think there's at least one wolf not voting just because the crimson wagon is literally everyone in my top three tiers, and I doubt wolves doubled down on cupcake
Are You saying "one wolf Except cupcake " ? Otherwise This post Dont make sense .
I agree, we need to have a vote count before anymore people vote on cupcake. And to be clear, do NOT counter claim cop at this point, we don’t have a doc anymore so cc’ing this early is stupid
Cop should only CC If they had A scum Result on sb else Than Dash and cupcake .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:47 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:uzay just has like
nothing going for him
and he's fully within the realm of his scum meta
It just started to be funny . Okay , explain further How I am in my " scum Meta " You can say PoE , but This is wrong .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:54 am
by UzayAltay
Spoiler:
ejjinami wrote:[spoiler]Summary: Zuck: claim cit RvS Uzay: regret joining this game, the cit claim is dumb. Dash: agree with uzay Rick: agree Uzay: asked eragon why are they posing music, when it’s NAI now. Dash: what’s the point of pushing a shitpost? Qvap: excited to play with Zucker and Grumpy Uzay: curious. /vote Qvap (joke-team with Zucker and Grumpy) Qvap: omgus /vote uzay. Uzay’s question was innocen, dash overreacted. Joke about 0ver making unwinnable setups. Ejj: the game shouldn’t have started because of SK. Crim: stop, I’m already angleshooting Qvap: same Ejj: uzay is townie. Qvap’s post about unwinnable setups is townie Crim: disagree with ejj about uzay being townie Qwap: Why not (townie)? I like uzay’s reaction to dash’s questioning. Ejj: grump, do you prefer town or scum? My TR on uzay was mostly because of tone Qvap: /unvote uzay. I think he’s town
Spoiler:Summary: Rick: Crimson’s entrance is townie. Paranoid of eragon and ejj. I want to avoid killing the SK, cuz they want mafia dead as well. Flake: town again, fuck. Zucker is seth and he’s trying to gain towncreed (failed). Qvap town for his entrance. Uzay is pretending that he believes the claim. Tfio: as always, I’m def a cit. Uzay: this is VFM, why is everyone claiming cit? Grumpy: 3 bloody claims, why do you yall do this… Dash: /vote tfios, wolfy entrance Uzay: ejj is tonally normal, but might have wanted to pocket me. Grumpy: makes sense Flake: tfios’s entries are always wolfy. Nai… whyyy is uzay townie? Dash: no (won’t elaborate on the read on Uzay) Uzay: 0-1 players are scum trying to pocket me. Ejj not SvS with dash, dash not SvS with Qvap Flake: /vote dash for his refusal Uzay: ejj should have said TL on me instead of TR Grumpy: Don’t like dash’s response Uzay: Eragon is readable as maf/not maf Dash: the request to elaborate was stupid because I already said all I had to say Uzay: fake is scum, cuz he was ok with Zucker’s cit claim Flake: Dash TRs someone based on meta, yet doesn’t want to elaborate on meta :thinking: Dash: flake is purposefully being bad Zucker: Dash voted only because he wanted to vote someone. Tfios always claims D1 and they’re usually cit. Hmm, so dash TR uzay because everyone did it Uzay: /unvote flake, like his reaction, though I disagree Zucker: Dash’s read on Uzay is no-effort, his refusal is bad, /vote dash Flake: /unvote Qvap: I thought dash was trying to go with the flow, by SRing dash, but his last read on dash is great Zucker: Confident in scum!dash. They’re just trying to fit in and not help town Qvap: flake is worse in that manner Zucker: flake at least explains, dash should be lynched. Flake is still scummy Chem: Zuck is meta-town
Spoiler:Summary: Qvap: idk about meta, which is why I’m against voting dash Flake: Dash is just ignorant, it’s fair to call him out. Nai though Qvap: still don’t think he was bad though Dash: Zuck is doing nothing except for shading me /vote zucker Chemist: You just haven’t played with him before Dash: yeah, I realized midway /unvote zuck. Or no, fuck that, zucker explain. Uzay: Zucker vs Dash isn’t SvS Dash: Grumpy didn’t do much until flake pushed me. Zucker supposedly skipped a lot and only read my posts as catchup and skipped the response to flake. At least 1 is prob scum. Flake is hypocritical Phone: Flake’s vote on Dash is bad. Tfio is scum most of the time, not cit btw. Dash: phone is town Chemist: agree Dash: we should kill the SK Rick: I like uzay’s posts, but not the progression on flake. Let’s talk about SK Flake: I’m not a hypocrite Dash: Flake is pushing a dead argument, move on. @rick, your thoughts on the push on me Grumpy: I haven’t done anything helpful yet, I’ll get better later Rick: dash wasn’t in any danger of being wagoned. Flake’s push and dash’s responses were normal. Gomba is noise, but isn’t opportunistic. Zuck is opportunistic, his push on dash is bad even as for seth. Grumba, you should post. Dash: town should kill SK asap Rick: Phone is more confident than normal, which is weird, but I agree with him a lot. Chemist is passive. I like flake’s defense of tfios. Phone: how am I confident, lol? Dash’s and chemist’s TRs on me are weird, because I didn’t write a lot. Fake’s explanations are townie Rick: I remember phone flailing more as town Dash: My TR on phone is because of the natural entrance Chem: same Dash: chem is just sheeping me Phone: Flake said he might do sth like that as scum, bon bon, he’s town. Chem should stop sheeping Rick: flake’s sef-meta is nai, phone rewarding him for that is gross. Phone: self-meta is not scummy, it’s townie. Dash: phone’s reason for TRing flake is weak Rick: meta is nai. TLing flake, but phone’s reasons for doing that are gross Chem: I’m not sheeping Zuck: tfios always claims cit d1. And I didn’t read the game, only isoed Dash Dash: why did you skip? Zuck: chem Has been off and unhelpful. I always skip and iso the most scummy peep. Dash: I don’t see why flake is townie (@rick). I’m blocking Zuck Zuck: it’s gamethrowing Rick: Flake it town bc of meta and pure progression. Zuck is ignoring my question Qvap: we should lynch SK . Chem seems less helpful, but it might be due to RL. Let’s not talk about alts Rick: Qvap’s post about lynching SK screams townie to me Dash: have been TRing Qva for a while Zuck: same. TR: Qva, Uzay. At least 1 scum in: flake, Dash, Chem Rick: @chem, why is Zuck town again? Rick: we should kill SK Dash: rick misread the RCs. The mafia want to use the cop and vig, so they won’t switch Rick: Qva is still town. And mafia always turn cop and doc off after SK dies Ejj: we should kill SK Dash: mafia can just use cop to find the PRs Ejj: I don’t like grumpy’s shitposts, Flake&Zuck are not SvS, Uzay was town for being chill. Tfios isn’t SK for the tone of the cit claim, grumpy’s posts are lamist. Scared scum for not voting dash. I don’t like Uzay’s reaction to flake’s push. Zuck and dash not SvS. Qvap: mafia don’t have a cop Dash: they do, FUCK, I’M RETARDED Ejj: zucker’s read on Dash is fake. Flake: Dash it spewed town Ejj: Qvap is hella townie. Flake: Dash doesn’t fake a townslip like that Dash: rick was right about SK Tfio: take my claim as real or not, but the tone being bad is NAI. Dash: /vote tfios (the post makes no sense from town-pov) Ejj: I feel Zucker’s push on dash might have been pressure, the confidence is suicidal (not scummy)
My notes: It’s very unlikely for Flake and Zuck to be scum together based on the way Flake revealed Zuck’s main and criticized him for pretending not to be seth.
Zucker wrote:
Flake wrote:can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying
How did you know though? :/
It’s strongly not MvM imo. The way tfio has claimed makes her unlikely to be SK, I think.
Spoiler:Summary Ejj: dash’s post is townie Dash: Scum is within (tfio, Grumpy, Zucker + low posters) Ejj: both Dash and zuck might be town Uzay: TL dash because of the interactions with flake. Flake and seth are not SvS. My main issue with flake previously was claiming being anti-town, but I liked his answer. It was also supposed to be pressure. Eragon: Ejj can bleed town if town, agree with rick about SK. Uzay was making a big deal out of flake’s reaction to tfi’s claim. Flake: dash, phone =town, [tfi, Qva, Uzay, Zuck, ejj] TL, rick-50% scum Eragon: why is rick scum? Dash: why is rick so low? Flake: don’t want to tell or rick will adapt Chem: Effort is AI eragon. Dash can still be SK Flake: I’m testing my read on rick, I want him to post more. Cupcake: multiple negations- claim doc. Dash: if that’s legit, I’m replacing out Flake: chem has to post more. Ejj: rick’s null-read on grumpy makes no sense and I don’t like him pushing an easy ML (Seth) as an alternative. I want to lynch grumpy today. And zucker is townie because otherwise he’d be suicidal. Chem: busy with school Ejj: phone’s posts look natural Cup: zucker is an alt and he doesn’t want to explain himself Ejj: is zuck actually confident in dahs being scum? Zuck and chem Are not SvS Cup: let’s support horrible reads /vote uzay Ejj: dash is town cuz of his slip. Eragon shouldn’t read me based on meta from MS. Cup: I hate ejj, I wanted to TR dash first. I like uzay’s explanations as well (don’t ask why I voted him). Phone is townie for noticing stuff Rick: Qvap it town cuz of purity, Chem is town cuz of his SK reasoning. I wish tfios didn’t approach every game like that. Zuck is bad cuz he didn’t even try to analyze dash. His posts are garbage. But he’s VI, but it’s not a reason to TR him. Uzay’s conversation with flake is weird. Ejj: Cup’s read on Uzay is townie and not SvS. TR [Qvap, dash], [phone, uzay, zuck] TL, [Rick, grumpy] SL Rick: I liked crims’s entrance. Flake has to explain his read on me. Agree with ejj that grumpy’s post quality is shit. Grump is null. I despise Zuker’s play, idk what to say about me pushing an easy ML. Seth pisses me off. I don’t like ejj not liking my lack of TR on zuck. Ejj always SRs me. Flake is avoiding engaging me. Chem: %%%%% if SK is killed. We’re in a town-sided mountainous Tfio: we should wait with killing SK until at least 1 maf is dead. Zuck: disagree Dash: tfio parroted what I said earlier. I want to lynch them if they keep posting useless stuff. Hope cup is not a doc. Chem: I’m not ok with lynching tfio, they play at their own pace. Dash: cupcake can’t be town. Tfios should replace out if they don’t have time to play Zuck: I didn’t like cup’s vote either, but he’s always bad. Same with tfio. Dash is saying all of that to avoid the lynch. His previous question to rick about his wagon was bad. Scared scum Dash: quote. If bad, I’ll ignore you for the rest of the game. Actually, tfio isn’t the best option /vote cup Zuck: Dash is trying to distract the lynch
Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, ProtoZigg, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake
My notes: If I remember it correctly nearly 1 day has passed, yet no real wagons have formed. It’d say Dash’s push on cup was the first “serious” push of the game.
Spoiler:Summary: Dash: Zuck can’t read, replace out Chemist: OMGUS Dash: phone is null Zuck: Dash is pushing an easy ML. nothing he did is townie Dash: chemist is not contributing Dash: chem Is protecting dash Dash: zuck’s tunnel is unhelpful Crims: ejj is lying about short phases Zuck: chem Seems SvS with Dash Dash: Zuck not-mafia-slipped Chem: Eragon is solid town for reads, Cupcake is bad. Zucker is meta town, Phone is townie. Zuck: dash can’t give their reads, they’re scum Dash: Uzay&cupcake are not SvS cuz of cupcake’s vote. Tfios’s parroting is not townie Crimson: won’t vote dash- (serious) joke Dash: I want to lynch cupcake Crims: Flake should have null-read Rick Tfio: Dash it townie, phone ok, Zucker is normal, Crimson is slight meta scum Dash: mixed signals from tfios, null. Grump: I was reaction-testing Dash. It backfired. I worded the post about inactivity in a bad way. I wanted to claim PR and waste a kill on me. Dash: stop fcking claiming. Not buying the “reaction test” Grumpy: I know I’m a pain. You’re gonna hate me when I flip town Dash: grumpy seems forced Qvap: SK, SK, SK Uzay: wtf, cup’s claim Qvap: Ejj is townie, tfio is meta less townie. Grumpy should talk, he should have stuff to say if town Uzay: NK, NK, NK Qvap: willing to vote grumpy. Too defeated to be town Grump: Town [Rick > Uzay, chem, Dash, Qvap] scum [Zuck, Cup] Grump: /vote cup, strongest SR Qvap: Grump&Cup are not SvS
Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Flake
My notes: Grumpy’s vote on cup should make them less likely to be MvM imo. Their strongest SRs were cupcake and Zuck, and both reads have been explained p well, so Grumpy could have voted either without looking suspicious. There were others who didn’t like Zuck’s behavior, so it would have been incredibly easy for grumpy to push a ML imo
Spoiler:Summary: Chem: Qvap’s interaction read is surface level. Didn’t like Grump’s AtE, but their wall is good. Zuck: No one is listenting to me. Dash is still scum Dash: Grump&cup are not both mafia Grump: hopefully cop checks me Eragon: Switch, switch, switch (dunno how SK works) /vote zuck, bad play, omgus. Qvap is townie Flake: Phone=meta town, tfios claimed so is town, Zuck is strong town for not-mafia-slipping and being dumb, rick is null, cuz my scum-tell is wrong. Support a cake lynch, trash iso Eragon: top town: Dash, Qvap, Grump. (for effort) Flake: Agree on grumpy, could be good newb scum though Eragon: They’re not frozen, scum would Flake: not frozen = good scum Eragon: slacking is NAI Dash: Grump isn’t town, town doesn’t reveal their claim idea, their AtE is bad. The cop-check post is AtE. Rick is townie for setup spec. Flake’s read are all meta Grumpy: Me revealing the claim idea is wifom and I really wanted cop to check me Dash: 1-st response is bad Proto: Grumpy could be newbtown, NAI Flake: Meta is good. Rick talking about SK is NAI /vote cupcake Dash: rick’s iso is townie, but might be good scum Flake: leave him fn, see his progression. Lynch priority: [cup>crim>Proto]. Maybe crim over cup Grumpy: scum keeping me alive is the reason for me abandoning the plan Phone: Flake’s read on me is townie and well explained. Dahs, why has your read on me changed? Dash: cuz you’re unproductive Uzay: agree that Grump and cup aren’t SvS. Grumpy’s townclaim feels genuine. Why is flake SRing Zuck and not doing anything? Dash’s post about switches doesn’t seem genuine Dash: I was explaining how it works, lol Uzay: not genuine slip Chem: ok with proto today Dash: no proto lynch, proto should be prodded for lack of content Chem: they should comment, or I’m ok with the lynch Dash: there are better lynches Uzay: dash’s post is fake Grump: we shouldn’t go for proto, don’t know anything about them. Cupcake better Chem: but not leaving till endgame Uzay: I like flake’s lynchpool. Sk, SK, SK Dash: SK, SK, SK [conversation about SK -_-] Tfio: ok. with either cup or crimson, don’t lynch proto cuz of Lack of activity. Proto: shut up tfio /vote tfio Flake: hi triangular Grumpy: replace out proto Dash: Proto should still be replaced for lack of content Flake: tfio is likely town cuz he’s progressive and not scum with either cup or crimson due to his reads. Qvap: I have a bunch of TRs, but no scum Flke: PoE is good. And scum might be inactive or good Ejj: my read on cupcake was bad, he’s frozen scum. Dash: ejj, wagon cup with me Flake: both cup and crim are bad. Cup’s read on uzay might be too reckless for scum. Ejj: rick reverse-shaded tfio. I misunderstood rick’s post about Grumpy and Seth. It’s ok now. Seth is still town for his suicidal actions. Rick misunderstood my post. I might have a tendency to SR rick. /vote cup Proto: you crying? /vote grum Dash: I want Proto replaced Proto: grow a backbone. Chem, Qva –locktown Qvap: Cupcake seemed better as scum, they might be town Proto: Cup is locksucm Ejj: Zuck’s read on dash is fundamentally wrong Proto: Phone is scummy, flake unreadable. Flake ignored me Qvap: explain your reads Proto Ejj: doubt the meta TR on cup, but I’ll look at it later Proto: won’t explain. Cupcake, phone- scream scum. Don’t waste my time, you’re town. Flake: one of Crim/cup will get lynched Grump: why is phone scum, proto? Qvap: help me with my reads prot Proto: Qvap’s meta read on cup is BS. Grumpy cried. Phone is scum for not being challenging and logical. He’s buddying flake, crying for towncreed, lazy, posts are garbage. Flake is locktown Proto: TOWN: [color=#0080FF]Dash2, Flake, SCUMTEAM: Qva, Cupcake, Phone, Goomba <-cuz annoying Qvap: Cupcake is still meta-not scum, crimson hasn’t done anything. I don’t want to lynch cup /vote crims Proto: /vote cup disagree [/color]
Not voting: Chemist1422, tfiosforevah, Rickdaily12, Phone0lx, UzayAltay
My notes: I feel flake shouldn’t be bussing cupcake here. I don’t think he’s the type to give up that early, especially not after people said they’re interested in voting crimson. Prob not MvM.
The wagon on crimson started slooooowly, without anyone intending to push it seriously.
Qvapil wrote:I quickly read through crimson and cupcake's isos. I still think cupcake feels different from our scum game together. Crimson hasn't really done anything. They don't have enough content for me to comfortably read them but I don't want to lynch cupcake rn. I'll place my vote here for lack of better alternatives and I hope I'll wake up early enough tomorrow to maybe switch. /vote crimson
Qvap’s vote on crimson was the very first one and besides Zuck (who was voted by 2 conf townies) that was the only real “counterwagon”.
It’s p clear that the scums had no intention of defending cupcake imo. It’s a rather good argument for him being town, but I feel that regardless it’s very likely for at least 1 mafia to have been on his wagon back then.
Honestly, I still feel that Grumpy has nice scum equity. The fact that they were SR when a wagon on Cup (and crimson) was forming, but no one seemed to want to vote Grumpy (to distract either lynch) is weird. There were way more reasons for suspecting grumpy (lamist, bad jokes, being unhelpful, constant AtE) than crimson (inactivity) and some people did question/push Grumpy before, so a wagon not forming on grump probably implies that if Grump was town/SK, cup has to be town/SK as well. It’s possibly town-indicative for cup regardless, and possibly mafia-indicative for Grump, but I’m not entirely sure if I can confidently read them based on that.
Spoiler:Summary: Rick: Zucker&dash can both be town. Strugling to read Grumpy Dash: I’d rather lynch for wolfy comments than no comments. Qvap’s logic is flawed Zucker: Dash is scum so Cup is town and all who vote them are sus. Qva is town, chem isn’t townie. Proto is scum for TRing chem Grump: why do u think cup will flip town? Proto: Zuck’s arguments about town!cup are shit. Read on chem is ok though Zucker: I don’t like Proto’s reaction, screams scum. He and Chem are mafia. Don’t think I’m wrong on Dash, but if town, needs to act townier. /vote proto I also don’t like the read on Qvap, give reasoning. Cup is town cuz they’re bad as town, they try as mafia Grump: Still feel cup is scum, but the reasoning is plausible. Thoughts on Crimson? Zuck: ok with crimson /vote crimson Dash: [crimson’s posts] hmm, still think there isn’t much to go off. Can see wolf, but prefer cup Zuck: cuz bad? Never lynch cuz bad Dash: if I was voting for bad play, I’d be pushing u zuck Grumpy: I don’t see why u find dash scummy, they’re townie Flake: unlikely that seth replicated their meta so well Chem: most null people are going for cup, so I prefer crim. Cup’s wagon is more wolf-driven Flake: completely disagree Chem: Grump and tfio are both pushing cup. People are ignoring crim. Tfio’s ony reasons for lynching cup are inactivity and them being the top wagon. Team: tfio/crim/grump Flake: disagree on tfio, grumpy is too high for newb scum Rick: not!SK slip/claim? Grumba might have wanted to everyone to think he isn’t SK. Tfios’s reads make no sense. Disagree with ejj’s stance on zuck, but ok. Uzay: Crim is weird because all of their posts are nai. Some posts were genuine though. Sleepy and need to read at least 2 more players to vote. Flake’s lynch-pool is good.
My notes: Honestly, Zucker being so detached and voting everyone around him while ignoring the main wagon looks p bad for him as well, especially if the wagons were TvT. It feels like he didn’t give a shit about his vote and about the lynch. The only thing he seemed to care about was his “perfect scum-team”, which honestly, could have been a great excuse for not getting involved in pushing the likely MLes. IF cupcake is mafia with zuck, I think Zuck might have been more likely to take the lynch a bit more seriously and at least try to push a real wagon… I think
Uzay didn’t seem to want to jump onto crimson when he first made a read on him. (post 809). He seemed to be “passively analyzing his posts” and didn’t seem in a rush to push anyone. The lack of interest prob means that he wasn’t interested in cup getting lynched either. Not MvM with cup? Possibly, though considering the situation the post feels townie to me regardless.
UzayAltay wrote:And i need to read at least 2 more player for commit a vote And i dont have much time for that, i am about to forfeit to sleep.
^ same here, he doesn’t seem in a rush, despite the day ending. Very possibly not MvM with cup
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Fun fact, there were a lot more people who talked about crimson with no voting intentions than those who voted him. No one was clearly “confident” in them being scum and no one seemed to have had any actual reasons for SRing them either, yet the wagon grew to an enormous size later.
Honestly, I still doubt scum were the ones who pushed the wagon first. IF they wanted to protect maf!cupcake, I think they would have been more likely to push someone like grumpy or zuck, whom they’d be able to scum-case, instead of someone who has been just “inactive”. There was NO counterwagon and the only ones on Zuck’s “counterwagon(?)” were (now confirmed) townies. Again, that prob hints to cup being either bussed or town and to the first voters being townies.
I really doubt there was no scum involvement in the wagon though. Voted: [Qvap, Zuck, Dash, Uzay, Flake] (0-1 mafia) Supported Crimson’s lynch but weren’t on wagon: [tfio, grumpy, chemist(?)] (chemist was on the wagon later, but jumped on only after a big wagon formed. He seemed unwilling to vote before crimson arrived…) I think there’s a fair chance there’s at least 1-2 scum among [tfio, grumpy, chemist]
Among them both tfio and grumpy had solid SRs on cupcake. Chem seemed to have had a TR, but it was based on interactions only. Idk what to make of it, but I thought I’d write it just in case, so that I don’t forget about it later.
Spoiler:Summary: Rick: I hate proto’s slot. Both he and cup and jesters, want them lynched, but don’t have a read on them Flake: Triang is always a jester Rick: agree with dash that Grump might be SK, ok with lynching. Lynch order: Grump>proto=cup>crims. My read on crims isn’t that good anymore Cup: shade on Dash. Idkif I should read my rc or not Chem: can we PL cup Dash: refuse to believe in cup gamethrowing. Cup: ok Dash: I want cup dead ASAP Uzay: Flake is weird, but idk if scummy Flake: cup is trying to make a fake-slip, bye scum Cup: agreed Flake: frozen. The fact that cup immediately understood the meaning of my post is funny Dash: /vote crimson, fck that, I’m not ML-ing over stupidity Cup: but you think I’m scum, what? Dash: cup might have not read his RC, not taking the risk Uzay: /vote crim, proto contributed, crimson is flying under the radar and posted less content than cup with more posts. Crimson is textbook FUTR, but I don’t mind lynching cupcake. Cup should always be lynched if he keeps it up Chem: there’s always 1 town/SK in crim/cup cuz of the wagon progression. There are no other counterwagons and there should be if MvM Flake: cup wrote about not reading his RC before the push on him, so it was a genuine not-maf slip? (cuz of maf-chat). Yeah, lynch crimson. Chem: it’s not a slip cuz of discord Flake: the game wouldn’t have started Cup: /unvote Cup: Zuck’s tunnel is bad Chem: /vote tfio Flake: explain Chem: tfio’s read on cup is bad Rick: Disagree with proto’s TR on phone, but it was pro-town. Proto’s read change on Qva is weird. Proto and zuck aren’t SvS. Crimson is normal. Grumpy is not mafia due to the cop bait. Tfio and crim are only MvM if the scums don’t care at all. Cup is as bad as zucker. I don’t believe he didn’t check his RC /vote Grumpy. Crims’s wagon looks purer than Cup’s Dash: chem’s vote on tfio is shit Flake: make sure that crim dies, gn Chem: eragon is meta town Rick: don’t want to lynch cup cuz crimson’s wagon is more pure Chem: tfio is wolf for the post about cup/crim, grumpy’s AtE was bad. Proto is weird Rick: why is ejj scummy flake Dash: why is ejj scummy eragon: ….shitposts Rick: Flake or ejj might be deepwolves (but townie) Crimson: I’m getting lynched for nothing Dash: useless Chem: crim might be frozen Zuck: Scum: Crim/dash & chem, town: Uzay, Era, Qva. Eragon cuz he voted dash and had a townie read on chem Crim: there’s no read on me, so I can’t answer it Era: I never voted dash Dash: zuck is bad Crim: zucker’s SR on me came out of nowhere Zuck: it’s because you and Dash are puppeting each other. SK/M Dash: zuck doesn’t know what he’s doing Rick: crim is flailing. The pushes on Dash and Zuck are bad Crim: Qvap should vote someone else if they’re not SRing me. Zucker’s arguments are bad Chem: I don’t like crim’s defense. Flailing, not solving Rick: it’s impossible to understand zuck Dash: Crims scumclaimed Rick: crims isn’t persuasive Crim: I wanted to address all points against me before solving. Chem is trying to not get MLed Dash: crim’s reactions are obv forced Chem: crim deflected Crim: chem is twisting words Dash: crim can’t be town Chem: /vote crim Crim: one of chem/dash is scum with zuck. The wagon is led by scum Zuck: chem is still scum, bussing Rick: try to solve @crim Crim: chem was waiting for a not-scummy opportunity to vote me Zuck: I caught 3 scum Crim: chem dismissed my case, zuck is useless Dash: crim’s posts are useless, except for the last one Zuck: Rick is shading me, he feels like SvS with crim Crim: scum is pushing me, chem wanted an excuse to vote Chem: zuck, explain how am I scum with Crim/dash Crim: chem is scum, Zuck is scum Zuck: I’m ok with anyone on my scum-list. But not SK cuz I want to mess with them Dash: Zuck is proven not-mafia, @crim Era: it still doesn’t stop anyone Dash: u saying zuck is SK? Crim: Chem was looking for an excuse, Zuck is trash, you’re coordinating Zuck: no, it’s u and chem, we can vote chem Dash: crim is sucking up to me Zuck: Dash SK slipped (shade) Eragon: no Chem: both zuck and crim are trying to paint me as mafia Zuck: crim didn’t vote so he’s chem’s buddy Chem: no Crim: I was already voting him /vote chem Dash: zuck is zuck. Crim is bad Zuck: /vote chem Chem: my posts make sense, I won’t towncase myself Rick: crim mafi-slipped (joke?) Zucker has low chances of being mafia Dash: crimson’s reads are crap. Chem is bad as well Rick: I don’t want to lynch chem Zuck: chem and crim are never a ML. They’re going for town-creed and want to lynch me later Chem: I’m not caling u scum zuck, you’re dumb Crim: forgot to defend against flake Eragon: /vote crim Zuck: /vote crim Dash: I like neither chem nor crim Era: /unvote
My notes: Intense push. I don’t think I can say anything new here. Zuck seemed opportunistic with his votes, but idk if it’s AI.
Spoiler:Summary: Rick: I’m TRing chem Zuck: If I die, vote chem. Dash: tinfoil, Chem&crim bussing SvS Chem: will happily eat the SK kill tonight Dash: bad post Rick: /vote zuck he claimed SK Crim: told you he’s scum /vote zuck Rick: no, this is even worse /unvote Tfio: /vote crim, I was first to SR them, their lack of content is still scummy Rick: reeeee, do I hammer Crim: no Eragon: I feel tfios doesn’t understand what Zucker did, but is trying to fit in Dash: hammer Crim: /vote chem Chem: crimson town-spewed me Rick: /vote crim hammer
My notes: All scum had to have been voting I still think that if scum are on the wagon, they should be on its later parts. Again, the wagon being lead by town and no one being interested in making another wagon before that happened prob means that cupcake is town… :/ Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if the mafia were divided equally on the wagon Meaning, 1-2 among: [(Qvap/Uzay/Flake/Zuck), tfios, rick] 1-2 among: [Grumpy, Proto, cupcake]
I’d like to lynch among [tfio, chem, proto, grumpy] today I’ll explain my reads in more detail (and catch up) when I come back home
This is town.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:55 am
by UzayAltay
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:I’m 100% Certain this is scum.
/Vote Proto
Wagon This! ^_^
Why
Quote exact posts
I Dont know How Chem isnt raged yet .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:56 am
by Chemist1422
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:I’m 100% Certain this is scum.
/Vote Proto
Wagon This! ^_^
Why
Quote exact posts
I Dont know How Chem isnt raged yet .
I’m making an active effort not to
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:56 am
by Chemist1422
Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:58 am
by UzayAltay
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
Quoting again for that being visible again
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:59 am
by UzayAltay
Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?
Aggreeing with Flake here . 1 or none But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:00 pm
by Chemist1422
UzayAltay wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
Quoting again for that being visible again
I missed this post
Dash wasn’t acknowledging my points, Flake was
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:08 pm
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense
or
1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson
if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}
if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}
Why uzay?
PoE on crimson's wagon
Which means your PoE sucks 1) You immadieatly assumed Both Goomba and protoo as town .You are probably right about there is max 1 scum ( expecting SK , SK can always change Numbers .) , but You are forgetting Goomba / protoo can be coached . 2) You assumed Ej/me , me/Pool , but not Ej/Pool . If I am in A Pool with other players , You not accepting Ejj/Pool should have A reason.
I know 1 isnt connected to me , but it is still A mistake.
1) Then let me give a pool assuming one of goomba and proto is Mafia
We know cupcake is mafia, and they will not have coached Goomba or Proto to do that
Which then implies that the 3rd Mafia member is someone who can coach Goomba or Proto to do that, were they to be Mafia
Which can only be like you, rick or ejji
And Ejji is unlikely to be mafia due to a prior happening
So the other plausible pool assuming 1 mafia on Crimson and 1 mafia on cupcake would be
{Cupcake, Uzay/Rick, Goomba/Proto}
and a more restrictive version of this based on my reads specifically would be
{Cupcake, Uzay/Rick, Goomba} as I believe proto to be town
2) Ejji/Pool is impossible assuming 2 Mafia were on the Crimson wagon, because Ejji was not on the Crimson wagon, so your point doesn't make sense, unless I'm misunderstanding
Yes You are
1 wasnt about me , it was More about " If one scum is On Crimson , it has to be Ejji " thinking . For example , cupcake / Chem / Goomba , even unlikely , possible . 2 was about You considering Ejj/me , but not considering sth Like Ejj/(Rick/Qva) . Why You didnt consider that ?
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:09 pm
by GrumpyGoomba
Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:10 pm
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?
Aggreeing with Flake here . 1 or none But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "
if i say "probably always" i'm usually not believing it is 100%
TBH I generally use that as " Unless I somehow wrong on A read I am 100% sure .
My Pool is Either 1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick ) Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}
About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .
PS - forget to add : Zucker/ tfios is objectively impossible . If either Zucker or tfios is Maf , they need to be coached .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:33 pm
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Uzay could you explain what you mean by pockety? When you were talking about ejji and me townreading you
Psicologically , people tend to act good to Player they are acted good by , and vice versa .Also Applies from " bad act" . So , scum can try acting good / townread The players who think they can effect their read with , with hope that Will cause A townread on them , or A Choose which benefit them later at Game .
Oh I get it. Thanks, you're being really helpful.
is it just me that finds this fake
Why somebody Understanding my English is that Weird ? I am remembering Qva asking questions that Game A lot . Should look their past Game for comparation
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:36 pm
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point
ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet
I can say town . Because as I understand You are again anglereading . When I am trusting my metaread on that . And I know your angleread is NAI , but You are lucky it goes Same place .
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:50 pm
by GrumpyGoomba
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point
ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet
What... please don't say you are a PR.
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm
by UzayAltay
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point
ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet
What... please don't say you are a PR.
Please
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:51 pm
by Chemist1422
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Flake wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point
ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet
What... please don't say you are a PR.
no
just wait
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 2:19 pm
by Zucker
Ok so maybe my scum team is wrong. But there is one thing I am sure of And that is Crimson/Chemist’s Conversation had a Scum in it!
/Vote Chemist
Re: VFM 49: Day 1
Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 2:31 pm
by Chemist1422
Zucker wrote:Ok so maybe my scum team is wrong. But there is one thing I am sure of And that is Crimson/Chemist’s Conversation had a Scum in it!