VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:17 pm

Dash2 wrote:[tfiosforevah, GrumpyGoomba, Zucker + anyone else who has hardly talked in this game]

Scum is within these people

Hol' up their pardner. Are you telling me activity is AI?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:18 pm

I mean, i guess it can be AI but why is it for these people?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:27 pm

Flake wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:
Flake wrote:{Flake} Town
{Dash2} ++++
{} +++
{Phone0Ix} ++
{tfiosforevah, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Zucker, ejjinami} +
{Chemist1422, Eragon1329, ProtoZigg, Crimson97, cupcakeaj2, GrumpyGoomba} Null (Approximately 50% chance of scum flip)
{Rickdaily12} -
{} --
{} ---
{} ----
{} Scum


why is rick scum???

I hate not being able to state my reasons but it really is more beneficial if I don't say, I don't want rick to be able to adapt to my reasoning

If the trend follows as the game progresses my read on him likely becomes stronger

You should have probably placed him on null then
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:30 pm

ejjinami wrote:[Qvap, dash]

[phone, uzay, zucker]
[eragon, cupcake]
[crimson, chemist, tfios, Flake, ProtoZigg]
[rick]
[Grumpy]

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Why is Zucker town?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Mon May 13, 2019 9:31 pm

This is the second time of me writing this because bmg decided to log me out for taking too long ffs

Okay initial reads
I’ve never played with him before but Dash seems pretty townie based on their posts so far, honestly even the pushes on me and cupcake felt like they had townie intentions behind it
Phone feels okay too, but I’d like to see their usual reads list eventually to ultimately decide
Zucker/Seth feels like they normally do, so I wouldn’t read much into them, because sometimes the things they do that would be scummy for majority of fm users is not indicative of scum for them, but they haven’t been scum yet so who knows
Crimson so far I’m getting a slight scum vibe due to them being eerily similar to their d1 of scum games, just a gut for now, not enough of a read to lynch them just yet

Everyone else don’t have any strong feelings at the moment, I’m also on mobile at the moment so it’s hard to iso dive and write a post at the same time,

Something of note- protozigg hasn’t checked in yet sooo :?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Crimson97 » Mon May 13, 2019 9:36 pm

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Actually you know what, tfios isn't the best lynch option here

/vote cupcake


Bad. This is Scum.

Is cupcake town?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 13, 2019 10:07 pm

A little over a day left glgl.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Mon May 13, 2019 11:57 pm

I have finally skimmed through the happenings of yesterday given my abysmal net rn. It seems like I have made some bad plays and in turn have ended up getting scumread by a majority of the active people in here.

To answer some of the matters addressed about me,
My response on dash replying with a simple no to flake's call for elaboration was not meant as a push at all but a reaction test to see how she would respond. And it seems to have spectacularly backfired on me.

My confession of not having done much wasn't worded right. I meant to say I haven't done as much as I would've liked to have done. I guess I can't use my train trip as an excuse since that would count as angleshooting and I do not intend on doing so as well.

Since I am already getting scumread I guess there goes my idea of claiming a pr to waste the mafia/sk night kill on me down the drain...

I will now go iso dive and have some reads ready shortly. Any questions are welcome.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:28 am

ejjinami wrote:
Qvapil wrote:I was going to scumread zucker because I thought he was trying to go with the flow by opposing dash and townreading uzay. However their last post explaining their uzay read is great imo. They gave new, further reasons as to why uzay could be town, which I doubt scum would take the time to do.

Townie thought-process
I’m not actually that confident in the last post making him town though

Qvapil wrote:
Zucker wrote:Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.


I don't know, I think flake is worse in that manner.

Hahaha, incredibly townie post xD
Qvap doesn’t seem to have a lot of experience and Flake is a good and “loud” player, so him challenging Flake like that feels incredibly town-motivated


I mean thanks for the townread but last game I played, the first thing flake said to me in scum chat was "watch me be loud and have everyone listen to me"
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:29 am

tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol


This is more awkward than your entry in vfm 48. I'm a bit skeptical too.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am

tfiosforevah wrote:Okay, what about it specifically are you not having?


Okay maybe I overthought it as last game you weren't pressured early on so I take back what I said.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 12:33 am

Sigh... I know I am being extremely frustrating to deal with and I hate it. I just didn't know what else to do save claim my role and just come clean since I am town so I should have nothing to hide. Y'all are gonna hate me when flip town and thus I'm ashamed of myself. -_-
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:47 am

Eragon1329 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Oh I forgot I voted Uzay. I think they're town. Thanks rick.
/vote unvote



:BlueThink:

Qvapil wrote:It was a joke vote though. I think your reaction was a bit too much.


whose reaction and whose vote?

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:48 am

I'm trying to catch up while in class so it's going to be slow. I'll snip big quotes so as to not flood the thread too much.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:53 am

Dash2 wrote:Also given the SK's switches don't go down unless the Mafia used a switch makes this setup even more confusing


Oh I didn't notice that. I think you guys were right then and it's better to find mafia first. I thought SK could keep our prs off even if we killed maf. But either way, and seeing how many cit claims we have (regardless if we take them seriously or not), the prs have to survive a bit for them to do anything and with 2 kpn we just have to hope the sk townsides.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 12:55 am

Qvapil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Also given the SK's switches don't go down unless the Mafia used a switch makes this setup even more confusing


Oh I didn't notice that. I think you guys were right then and it's better to find mafia first. I thought SK could keep our prs off even if we killed maf. But either way, and seeing how many cit claims we have (regardless if we take them seriously or not), the prs have to survive a bit for them to do anything and with 2 kpn we just have to hope the sk townsides.


No wait I just checked. The sk can switch by themselves and still negate the prs. So ig ore my last post
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 12:57 am

Just popping in to let everyone know, I planned on being on and about tonight, but that was before I had a migraine come on. I can barely think straight even with 800 mgs of Ibuprofen. So that's fun. So I'm just going to go to bed and try to sleep this off.

I might not be on until later in the afternoon unlees my plans get cancelled again, so don't expect me for a little while.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:01 am

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:does jord ever fake a townslip like that

i doubt it

scum never overlooks info on switches since they all actively partake in using them so

jord is like always town probably


I want to open A paranthesis , he only slipped not Maf .
Even though I am leaning on town , he can be SK .


Why do you guys think it's towny to not read the op? Scum can misread and not pay attention too. They don't have to tryhard immediately either.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:13 am

ejjinami wrote:
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Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

that’s most definitely not SvS


What isn't SvS and why?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:17 am

cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay


Why did you randomly vote the widely townread person? You could have done a horrible and suspicious random read on literally anyone else.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:23 am

ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Hmmmm

Let's look at more ISOs.

just read the damn game, please.


I did.

And everybody said everything I was going to say.

what were you going to say?
which posts do you agree with?
do you have any reads???
cupcakeaj2 wrote:Let's support more suspicious and horrible reads

To random vote or to not random vote?

/vote Uzay

elaborate
and the previous question still stands, do you have any other reads?
don't just list them, say a word or 2 about each, please.


I'm really liking ejjinami, both their catchups and how they're trying to get cupcake to talk here.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:39 am

cupcakeaj2 wrote:
-snip-

Qvapil wrote:I'm trying to learn from my last game, and I think it's more telling to look at those who capitalise on others' questionable plays rather than those who misplay. That's why I'm against voting dash.


What. When did Dash capitalise, what. And that isn't a perfect science either.


No you misunderstood that. I was in favour of dash, whereas zucker, flake and goomba were against him. I know it's not a perfect science as well, I'm still learning and I'm trying stuff.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ProtoZigg » Tue May 14, 2019 1:45 am

Having my own mini meme phase as I missed day start

/Vote zucker
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 1:54 am

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:The reason I asked this question was to test the waters on how everyone else feels about it, though. I like what I got from it.


Could you share your thoughts on our responses rick?

Sure.

Uzay's was hard to read just because of the language barrier, but I think it's pretty in line with the rest of the conversation that lucking out on the SK early enough leads to more breathing room if SK isn't around to kill things. It felt a bit automated though because I don't think he lends enough consideration to the disruption that SK can do to the Mafia later.
Dash, once he finally got around to it, (and rereading his post in hindsight of what he was posting on page 14) clearly misunderstood the Mafia abilities and is just Town as far as I care. His analysis otherwise isn't the greatest as a result, but this is covered later.
I like Chemist's answer the most from a "What to do" perspective, but I wish he broke down the numbers a bit more in order to convince everyone else to see things his way.
Flake more or less +1-ed Chemist, but whatever. I still kinda wanted his opinion in his own words.
Next came your answer, and I more or less explained why I TR you for it and explained why I even bothered asking the question in the first place.

I'm comfortable saying that I like a TR on you for purity and a lean on Chemist for the most sensible approach, everyone else's responses were more typical and didn't touch me as much. I could dive into the other responses after explaining what I wanted from this question if you want me to do that, but having said that, I see less of a point since I more or less told everyone what I was looking for. I definitely wouldn't trust any read on this basis after how I formed yours.


Thanks for clarifying, but I don't understand how you can read people based on how they view the setup. Town can just not be bothered to think and depend on the stronger players to do the analysis, while scum can try to push their agenda. How would you expect scum to answer you?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 2:00 am

Flake wrote:
{Flake} - Lock Town
{}
{Dash2}
{}
{Phone0Ix}
{tfiosforevah, Qvapil, UzayAltay, Zucker, ejjinami}
{Eragon1329, ProtoZigg, cupcakeaj2, Crimson97, GrumpyGoomba} - Null
{Chemist1422, Rickdaily12}
{}
{}
{}
{}
{} - Lock Scum


ok there's a better list

list is from my pov

null means approx 4/15 = 27% chance of scum flip here

there are a lot of slots because i want template for later use and to give a better idea of how confident i am on reads

ask me qs and i'll respond tomorrow i sleep now


I want to ask you about phone and chemist but I don't remember if you've already explained them. I'll check later and comment then.
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