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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 2:27 am

I will read isos and do reads later today, I don't have time now. I'm willing to vote goomba and might do so later since I don't think their defeatist attitude comes from town, but I'll let them talk a bit first.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 2:28 am

I was ninja'd lol
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 2:34 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I have finally skimmed through the happenings of yesterday given my abysmal net rn. It seems like I have made some bad plays and in turn have ended up getting scumread by a majority of the active people in here.

To answer some of the matters addressed about me,
My response on dash replying with a simple no to flake's call for elaboration was not meant as a push at all but a reaction test to see how she would respond. And it seems to have spectacularly backfired on me.

My confession of not having done much wasn't worded right. I meant to say I haven't done as much as I would've liked to have done. I guess I can't use my train trip as an excuse since that would count as angleshooting and I do not intend on doing so as well.

Since I am already getting scumread I guess there goes my idea of claiming a pr to waste the mafia/sk night kill on me down the drain...

I will now go iso dive and have some reads ready shortly. Any questions are welcome.


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 2:38 am

Qvapil wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Also given the SK's switches don't go down unless the Mafia used a switch makes this setup even more confusing


Oh I didn't notice that. I think you guys were right then and it's better to find mafia first. I thought SK could keep our prs off even if we killed maf. But either way, and seeing how many cit claims we have (regardless if we take them seriously or not), the prs have to survive a bit for them to do anything and with 2 kpn we just have to hope the sk townsides.

Wait What
Didnt Dash Said it was Like uno reverse card ?
And I am remembering This Like that .
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 2:57 am

Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:does jord ever fake a townslip like that

i doubt it

scum never overlooks info on switches since they all actively partake in using them so

jord is like always town probably


I want to open A paranthesis , he only slipped not Maf .
Even though I am leaning on town , he can be SK .


Why do you guys think it's towny to not read the op? Scum can misread and not pay attention too. They don't have to tryhard immediately either.

The thing is not it being towny
The thing is it never Coming from Mafia Unless faked .
But ,
Dash2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Assuming the SK is dead, mafia can just as easily use their cop to narrow down who is citizen and who is not, while the vig goes and shoots whoever

PFFFFFFFFFT XD
Oh god, this is too wrong to be fake
It’s possible that dash genuinely thought about that “before getting a scum RC” and is just repeating his pre-game thoughts, but the conversation feels sooooo natural…
The slip is pretty btw

Shit you caught me

TBH I Dont Like that post from Dash about that topic.
But still , net effect is on + way .
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NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53 , VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E , 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Tue May 14, 2019 3:00 am

Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Crimson here's the thing though. If SK dies D1 Mafia has no reason to not use the cop and doc switches, and unless they want to game throw there's no reason for all of them to use the switches at once

I'm not crimson

Shut you know what I meant

Still doesn't change the fact that we're in a townsided mountainous


Mountainous?

Mountainous = town not having ( or cant using ) any PRs
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 3:01 am

Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 3:06 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Tue May 14, 2019 4:07 am

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 14, 2019 5:16 am

Goomba why do you think scum would avoid talking about the SK? They want as much info as possible about who that might be.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 5:29 am

Talking about SK simply exposes them to discussions, making it easier for them to either slip up or be read as scum by other players.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:03 am

Qvapil wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Anyways I will leave my vote on my strongest scumread for now.
/Vote Cupcake


Goomba and cupcake are not s/s

That's surface level
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:04 am

Not entirely sure how to feel about Goomba, I didn't like their AtE but them busting out the wall of reads felt good
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Tue May 14, 2019 6:06 am

ProtoZigg wrote:Having my own mini meme phase as I missed day start

/Vote zucker


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 6:16 am

Welp ofcourse it isn't. I believe it to be a T/S with me as the T.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Zucker » Tue May 14, 2019 6:22 am

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Welp ofcourse it isn't. I believe it to be a T/S with me as the T.


I think Cupcake is Town and potentially Doctor.
I’m not voting our PR.
If Cupcake dose get lynched and you don’t push anyone on the Wagon then I might just stop actually trying.
I won’t even Death Tunnel anymore.
Because at that point you want Town to lose not win.
So I’ll have a loss to my FM Record because for some reason Town wants a nice loss.
I can clearly see that some stuff Dash has said Town would never say but you all for some reason aren’t believing it.
So if Cupcake dose get Lynched and SK stops Mafia Switch. Vigilante Shoot Dash.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 6:28 am

I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:29 am

Can I PL Zucker
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Tue May 14, 2019 6:34 am

Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:I hope that through some magical luck the cop check is on me and it succeeds and I am hopefully cleared.

"Pregame you must choose to be either immune to the Mafia Nightkill OR be immune to Vig/Cop."

A cit check isn't guaranteed unless the SK chose the former

Well shit ofcourse that'd be the case.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:17 am

Wait what the hell

I’m still confused about the switch stuff

So let’s say a hypothetical
Mafia chooses to switch vigilante and cop off
But keep doctor

Serial killer can turn specific ones off and on, or they have to do ALL or NONE?
So let’s say serial killer switches
Does it become
-doc blocked
-cop/vigi unblocked?

Or

Is it whichever specific ones the serial killer chooses?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:18 am

Zucker wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Welp ofcourse it isn't. I believe it to be a T/S with me as the T.


I think Cupcake is Town and potentially Doctor.
I’m not voting our PR.
If Cupcake dose get lynched and you don’t push anyone on the Wagon then I might just stop actually trying.
I won’t even Death Tunnel anymore.
Because at that point you want Town to lose not win.
So I’ll have a loss to my FM Record because for some reason Town wants a nice loss.
I can clearly see that some stuff Dash has said Town would never say but you all for some reason aren’t believing it.
So if Cupcake dose get Lynched and SK stops Mafia Switch. Vigilante Shoot Dash.


Bug off

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:19 am

You did this same fucking thing to 0verki11 in 17F

And he was scum

This is not a fucking good play

stop

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:20 am

Ok

So it’s a complete switch

Thanks

Yes ok this game is like
WIFOM
but both wines are poison

P-edit: honesty I’m just doing it to make a point and Becuase I haven’t fully caught up yet
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:22 am

But yea
Catching up
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:27 am

Dash2 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

I see. I got confused for a second.

Rickdaily12 wrote: From her point of view

Ok rick lowkey I have no idea why my gender was set on female but I'm actually a guy


Could also be teammystic set to female that rick remembers lol



Qvapil wrote:I was thinking a bit about the setup, and I believe lynching SK early benefits us simply because we reduce kpn. It's true that the prs are under mafia's control at that point but once we find a mafia member we'll have more options. I think having more townies alive (by reducing kpn) is more important than the prs, though take this with a grain of salt since I haven't played anything like this before.


I agree for a multitude of reasons
Main things
1)he KPN, which as chemistbhas previously said, puts us in a two sided mountainous with PR’s that become active N4
It’s townsided Becuase we would be at 10 v 3, which is pretty good numbers for a mountainous game
2) SK can still fuck with switched, either preventing mafia or preventing town, so getting rid of that gets rid of WIFOM

The problems
1) we have to lynch every mafia, instead of hoping the SK will scumhuny and kill them for us. Frankly, I don’t think this problem outweighs the benefit
2) we can’t stop mafia at all, again this is purely WIFOM
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