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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:26 pm
by Phone0Ix
Dash2 wrote:Chemist do you have anything of your own, instead of agreeing with what I'm saying

Same

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:28 pm
by Rickdaily12
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:If anything, you're being a hypocrite. If I need to go and be specific about Uzay's meta then how about you show me all the games where tfios was town and had a bad entrance. You didn't do that, did you?

difference between being vague when not asked to explain something which should be obvious and remaining vague once asked to explain something unobvious to anyone but you because either you can't be bothered or you can't actually draw similarities between town!uzay and uzay here which can be observed by anyone, in which case i don't see how you even believe your metaread yourself

as for tfios thing

VFM48 (Town):
tfiosforevah wrote:yo whats up

im gonna hard claim cit bc y not


17F (Town):

"Let me get in on that cit claim action"

now play spot why i'd think tfios' entrance in this game would be NAI at worst

Does Flake do things like this when hes scum? Idk tbh

Feels townie though

yes i do probably

Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I was literally just about to bitch how he just self-metaed and you're rewarding him for doing this now

this is NAI 10000% and this response is just gross

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:31 pm
by Phone0Ix
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:If anything, you're being a hypocrite. If I need to go and be specific about Uzay's meta then how about you show me all the games where tfios was town and had a bad entrance. You didn't do that, did you?

difference between being vague when not asked to explain something which should be obvious and remaining vague once asked to explain something unobvious to anyone but you because either you can't be bothered or you can't actually draw similarities between town!uzay and uzay here which can be observed by anyone, in which case i don't see how you even believe your metaread yourself

as for tfios thing

VFM48 (Town):
tfiosforevah wrote:yo whats up

im gonna hard claim cit bc y not


17F (Town):

"Let me get in on that cit claim action"

now play spot why i'd think tfios' entrance in this game would be NAI at worst

Does Flake do things like this when hes scum? Idk tbh

Feels townie though

yes i do probably

Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I was literally just about to bitch how he just self-metaed and you're rewarding him for doing this now

this is NAI 10000% and this response is just gross

How is self-metaing scummy, and this was the other way around o.O
Like boom townread its bad because selfmeta

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:36 pm
by Rickdaily12
Rickdaily12 wrote: Spoiler: Don't self-meta. Especially, do NOT self-meta to argue that you're Town without being prompted to. I know this one always confuses people because a lot of people like to throw meta at each other and meta rebuttals, but if you're going to allow this and do this yourself then you render every meta argument you ever make as pointless.
Why, you might ask? Well, it's a very simple concept to grasp.
THE ENTIRE POINT TO META ARGUING IS THE POINT THAT [PLAYER X] IS NOT AWARE/ABLE TO STOP DOING [ACTION Y] AS [ALIGNMENT Z].
Too often I see so many arguments getting winded and dumb between people over the discourse of meta, and this point keeps tripping people up. It makes my eyes roll hard both as an in-game player and as a spectator. You cannot, especially when unprompted, argue how you are locked town for blah meta reasons. Especially when they only require interactions in the thread only. If you are fully aware of what you do as Town and how you behave as Town, you directly imply knowledge of how to act as Scum and can at least somewhat mimic it.
The moment anyone says "I'm Town if I do this, and I did this, proving that I'm Town", everything they say after this is bullshit. Even if it's true, even if it's genuine. Aside from being fakeable as hell, it's also a circular logic fallacy, which is a no-no. The reason any rational person gets tripped up in response to something as crazy as this is because you just took the time to admit you have knowledge on how to pass yourself as Town when you are Scum, and once we hit that point everything you say about your meta means nothing.
Which also brings as to a sub add-on:
Don't make someone else self-meta. At that point you're just being a jerk and you should admit not having any valid reason to read that person anymore.
Just let it go. Null read them and revisit that person when you have something more alignment indicative to read them on. Don't put them through this crap, it has a stupid amount of potential to launch into a nasty TvT suicide pact. Just save yourself a huge amount of suffering, whether you're the one doing it, or encouraging others to do it.

(I see myself doing this a lot this game)

TL;DR, it's not that self-meta is Scummy, it's that it's NAI. You can't refer to your own meta to argue whether or not you're Town. Claiming to be aware over aspects of your own meta implies awareness of how to fake your Town meta as Scum.

To be clear, I'm leaning Town on Flake so far, but self meta is always gross and always proves literally nothing reliable about the person doing it. It just proves that the person is aware of how to act and how not to act the day they roll scum.

If you want to TR Flake, there are absolutely reasons to do it, but this isn't one of them.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:36 pm
by Flake
Dash2 wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist do you have anything of your own, instead of agreeing with what I'm saying

Same

Image

i agree

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:37 pm
by Flake
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:If anything, you're being a hypocrite. If I need to go and be specific about Uzay's meta then how about you show me all the games where tfios was town and had a bad entrance. You didn't do that, did you?

difference between being vague when not asked to explain something which should be obvious and remaining vague once asked to explain something unobvious to anyone but you because either you can't be bothered or you can't actually draw similarities between town!uzay and uzay here which can be observed by anyone, in which case i don't see how you even believe your metaread yourself

as for tfios thing

VFM48 (Town):
tfiosforevah wrote:yo whats up

im gonna hard claim cit bc y not


17F (Town):

"Let me get in on that cit claim action"

now play spot why i'd think tfios' entrance in this game would be NAI at worst

Does Flake do things like this when hes scum? Idk tbh

Feels townie though

yes i do probably

Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

i probs do that as scum too

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:38 pm
by Rickdaily12
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Phone0Ix wrote:Does Flake do things like this when hes scum? Idk tbh

Feels townie though

yes i do probably

Bon bon Flake passes test, saying a thing he did could come from scum!Flake!

Flake feels townie

i probs do that as scum too

case in point

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:41 pm
by Chemist1422
Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains

Oh did you not hear

They got rid of spoilers for non-trusted

Also I don’t know why you’re under the assumption that I sheeping you and not that I had the idea separately but just posted it later

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:41 pm
by Zucker
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:I don't like how Zucker's "catchup" are only responses to me and they're all shadethrowing posts

/vote Zucker

Clearly you haven’t played with him before

Yes I realized halfway through catching up this was gonna be another one of those players.


I find the scummiest player and iso them! ^_^

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:42 pm
by Rickdaily12
Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains

What? But... but you're using Franziska as your avatar...

She always loves to point out how I don't have any evidence when I bluff the shit out of her prove that I know what happened.

(but tbr yeah this is why I like to either trim relevant quote chains or spoiler them when they get too big)

Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains

Oh did you not hear

They got rid of spoilers for non-trusted

WHAT
WHY
WTF

Oh, right, I forgot this was a thing too.

Yeah, being NCM was not a fun experience at all.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:43 pm
by Flake
Dash2 wrote:first friendly reminder of the game that spoiler tag exists so can we stop clogging the thread with long quote chains
























Spoiler: sure thing

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:43 pm
by Zucker
Dash2 wrote:If anything, you're being a hypocrite. If I need to go and be specific about Uzay's meta then how about you show me all the games where tfios was town and had a bad entrance. You didn't do that, did you?


Tfios always feels like that with their Day 1 Citizen Claim. ^_^

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:44 pm
by Rickdaily12
Flake omg stop xD

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:46 pm
by Zucker
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Phone is town

I agree


Chemist has been very off.
He doesn’t really add anything new to the conversation.
Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:47 pm
by Flake
Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote: Spoiler: sure thing

do you want me to smack you

yes dad

:Kreygasm:

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:47 pm
by Rickdaily12
Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:50 pm
by Zucker
Dash2 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:I don't like how Zucker's "catchup" are only responses to me and they're all shadethrowing posts

/vote Zucker

Clearly you haven’t played with him before

Yes I realized halfway through catching up this was gonna be another one of those players.


I find the scummiest player and iso them! ^_^

Yeah in order to find me as scummy you had to read the thread first yeah? Why did you skip all that?


I always do.
I like to read the first couple pages and see who stands out to me as most scummy.
Turns out it was you.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:52 pm
by Zucker
Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/


Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:52 pm
by Zucker
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:53 pm
by Chemist1422
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:54 pm
by Zucker
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:56 pm
by Rickdaily12
Dash2 wrote:By the way Rick, you said Flake was townie if I'm not mistaken, but besides getting into 2 arguments I can't really find much on him that's AI

It's more a meta read. Flake seems really natural and his progression feels pure to me. I agree that if we talk strictly about the substance that you wouldn't find much there, but based on how I've seen Flake carry himself in other games then he seems exactly like I normally see him to me.

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

It's called a Foe list. From her point of view, it's going to squish everything you post down to a spoiler and make it either to read without having to read your posts (without wanting to).

And no, it's not illegal. It's widely encouraged regarding how to deal with someone you don't like around here.

Zucker wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:Yeah, never mind. Zucker is definitely Seth, and that all about confirms that it's the case.

I'm definitely not impressed with his handling of the game so far, then. =/


Yeah I tend to brake character... ^_^

I just play like that though.
I read until I find a post I don’t like and go off on it and accuse that person.
What’s wrong with that play?
Doesn’t mean I’m not down to vote others but Dash is definitely not Town.

You're still outwardly ignoring a question I've asked you.

If you've read the thread at all, you'd know the one I'm referring to.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:58 pm
by Flake
Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:00 pm
by Zucker
Flake wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:guys let me know when zucker isn't being useless I'm blocking him now


Isn’t it illegal to block someone participating?

No


Seriously?
That seems game throwable.

can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying


How did you know though? :/

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 1:03 pm
by Rickdaily12
Zucker wrote:
Flake wrote:can you stop pretending to not be seth it's annoying


How did you know though? :/

You really want to know, Seth? Well, for one thing, people don't fixate enough on you to say this:

Zucker wrote:Dash is only saying Phone is Town because scum wants someone to follow them! ^_^
Qva did it to Seththeking and it worked on him. ^_^

So yeah, you basically told us yourself.