VFM 49: SK win #rekt

[ejjinami]

Well, I didn't like the way they played in LyLo either, but besides that I really think they deserve the win
I had them as lock-town most of the time, lol

[ejjinami]

Btw, @woahah who r u?

[TheDebil]

yeah i played pretty badly for the last day
i was pretty much 50/50 but i was afraid chemist was going to vote me so i just went for the push on him

[TheDebil]

yeah i played pretty badly for the last day
i was pretty much 50/50 but i was afraid chemist was going to vote me so i just went for the push on him

tried to make it into a qva vs chemist but it just didnt happen

[jucktropy]

huh

[TheDebil]

Btw, @woahah who r u?

woahah is google

[woahah]

Btw, @woahah who r u?

woahah is google

:thonk:

[Qvapil]

Unless you banked on seth being dense

given how seth has been this entire game.yes i would bank on.seth being dense

:clap:

so, SK hunting sucks. I'm also not going to wifom the night kill because it doesn't work.

let's rewind back to the tfios shot from ejji. why did the sk not switch ejji off?

two options, could be combined
1. stupid
2. wasnt in any danger

does either apply to me?

why did no one care about the obvious argument alluding to qva being SK

it just went ignored for some reason and no one even suspected qva even slightly because of it

Thank the gods it was ignored, there's no way I'd slip away there

[Qvapil]

I'll be incredibly surprised if he doesn't get the newbie of the year award after this.

Actually, all alignments played well here... It was such a good game xD
And dash's red check on Cup was incredibly helpful
Shame that we lost though

If I were town I'd be incredibly mad over goomba and tfios's defences tbh

[GrumpyGoomba]

Oof well played qva... gg

[Qvapil]

lowkey mad that i lost the game when i'd have solved all mafia during d3 tfios where they made it blatant that they flip town

qva played decently up until f3 where i feel they actually became obvious, lots of hedging and woe is me, and also in that f3 specifically the argument as to why SK would leave vig switch off comes into play massively, since chemist or debil both could easily have been shot, but no one cared about it

D3 I was banking on rick appearing to defend himself and getting the tfios lynch. It would have been much easier for me imo. And yeah I think during f3 I overdid it but I was trying to play the "first time cit" card.

[Qvapil]

Unless you banked on seth being dense

given how seth has been this entire game.yes i would bank on.seth being dense

:clap:

so, SK hunting sucks. I'm also not going to wifom the night kill because it doesn't work.

let's rewind back to the tfios shot from ejji. why did the sk not switch ejji off?

two options, could be combined
1. stupid
2. wasnt in any danger

does either apply to me?

why did no one care about the obvious argument alluding to qva being SK

it just went ignored for some reason and no one even suspected qva even slightly because of it

Well........... the town knowing that I was allowed to shoot was another reason why I wanted to shoot tfio
They didn't know if SK chose town or mafia immunity though, so if anything my shot should have proven that the SK didn't notice that letting me mis-shoot would have lead to the game ending in LyLo instead of MyLo.
This probably cleared chemist, cuz I feel he should have noticed it as SK, regardless of what immunity he chose... but idk if it should be telling for the other players

/shrug

Well my dumb ass with vig immunity thought 4 townies is better than 5 townies so it was telling yeah

[Qvapil]

Thanks guys I really enjoyed this game.

[UzayAltay]

Gg Qva
My notes after me dying ( include salt ) :

20 May 2019 Spoiler: First , I want to congratulate All town for winning from 8v3 , which never happened before in That Setup .
(Writing This before Game ends , so If Rick or SK ( Guessing as Chemist )
There was some other salt things earlier , but I am not remembering them .
It is Also Why I am keeping that as diary.

I think Mafia team is {cupcake, uzay, tfios}

Flake , You were good at reading me . TBH I was suprised I Hadnt Meta read after that Day 1 .
What happened Day 1 ? I Will Spoke .
But The topic at there is Flake thinking I Will throw my Last buddy into fire
Without knowing I would die tonight
It was an important fail , probably not mattered much , but it was important .

/vote tfio

I Dont know How me pushing tfios make tfios scummier .
Like I was just Trying to Get out of PoE .
So many people slipped V , And it is just annoying as Mafia .
TBH If I Ever open an alt , I would slip as town every Game intentionally .

Six town (one vig), one mafia, one SK

If we mislynch and misshoot we're in LyLo if the vig dies and technical LyLo if the vig lives

Vig shouldn't be claiming unless they get wagoned

Now: 6:1:1
After a ML: 5:1:1
After N3 (2 scum kills and a mis-shot): 2:1:1

If the vig shoots town, dies and the scums don’t cross-kill, we’ll have no chance to win.
So depending on the situation we could be in lylo rn?

Strongly disagree on vig revealing. They get 2 more bloody free shots by not revealing. Also nice one vig.

Antivig Soft on ToS Style
This seems A bit fake , wont be suprised If they flip Vig

Guys I won't be able to be very active today but I will be here tomorrow to help solve this. Or try to, seeing as I've townread both uzay and cup this game so my reads haven't been very accurate. But uzay has had way more interactions than cupcake so I'm confident we can find the last maf from his posts. I'll pop in later to post more thoughts.

TBH I Dont think I would be able to read cupcake as well
But , as town , I would stay off from main wagons
Actually , as Mafia , I would bus Cupcake
Which would end with I start Celebrating at Day 3 probably
TBH It would may be better If Rick stayed with Nicecomeback account , so I can not listen them even though I made crazy things

Okay guys, here’s a very important question

Due to the two kills n1 vs the 3 kills n2, are we thinking the vig was shut off or maf/vig hit night immune sk?

/shrug

#3174320: Wait , I just realized Why Flake thought I am scum with tfios .
My voting post and This post is just too close to each other
This is Actually hilarious due Flake thinking I coached tfios , even not say that

#3174325 : Good .
It is More better and better as More as my and Rick's ISO Dont read , Rick can always put magic at that moments .

#3174396 : rip
At least it Gave me moralle about Rick turning that game
Unless You are faking This

Ok, so here's my approach to today.

When my computer stops being a nazi, I'm going to try to do another indepth analysis of VCA again. Hopefully in that time I can stop being absolutely enraged in the process.

After that, I'm going to update my reads.

In the meantime, I have a suggestion.

As it is currently effectively MyLo, the Vig should claim today. I know a lot of people have already argued against this so far, and I don't know if you did it for shortsighted reasons or if you don't understand the consequences of this, but the claim needs to happen now. Reasons why:

1. If people keep being themselves and searching for two scum who cannot associate with each other from now on, if someone's strongest SR 24 hours from now is the Vig, they have wasted the entire day for nothing and you now force that person to guess within their remaining PoE with weaker accuracy.

2. Building on the above, everyone's PoE becomes stronger with one less suspect on the list, as we'll have more time to look over everyone else between now and EoD.

3. The Vig has a high likihood of dying after tonight if we mislynch regardless. Outting the Vig also increasing the chances of Scum targetting the same player (we WIFOM mafia and SK into hitting the same target if they try to gamble on whether to be the one to kill the vig or not)

Basically I see every reason for the vig to out and virtually zero reasons not to. With the amount of killing power in the game, it just really doesn't matter at this point. Vigs should claim in every MyLo anyway, it's pretty much straight forward meta.

Let's not waste any time today.

If anyone has any questions that I'm not about to spend time answering anyway, please bump them and I'll get back to them later at some point, but I'm going to start with the flips.

Rick's magic starts
It is A townie post , which seems logical from Town's PoV
But town is missing one thing , ( at least The claim-Wanters )
Maf and SK didnt crosskill Night 2
It , just , wont Work .
#3174427If they are scum

Debil's reads : I was just Trying to pressure Ejji .
Than Everyone started TR me /shrug
#3174480 : When Rick is Trying to push Chem without broking me
#3174485 : I didnt bus
Due You preventing me
Like If Nicecomeback was here , I would bus without A second think
( Maybe can say " I bussed " Like I Did at tracker claim )
#3174505: How can sb bus better Than purgatory Game ?
( Every Mafia legit bussed 3 Mafia )
#3174506
#3174513 ( I Also Do it that Game , too )
I wish I had Said it .

22 May 2019 / Wednesday

Spoiler: I didnt want to write Last evening , due low WIM on thread .
Rick didnt put magic , want to congratulate village here , Rick tried their best , If Ejji wasnt Vig it could went different .
Ejji again read me Correct , after NFM 48 , second time with me being scum and them being village , and again A loss. What went wrong ? Okay , both me and Rick are better as town , but ...
Still , half of The town was just Okay , not good , not bad prob but not good . Flake was good , Ejji was good , Chem was good but not town , Dash was good , but not on right track , Era ?
Wait Era ? Why SK killed Era ? Only Player who would Do that is Chem IMO , but may be wrong.
Yes , I was speaking about How Did Game go down ?
It started went down from Day 1 .
We need to decide How to Get around with cupcake .
Cupcake , Please never Ever play Like that again .
I think not bussing was First strategic mistake , I think it is due rick thinking cupcake can Save theirselves later , objectively , without Dash 's check they Will lynched anyways at one point .
Nightkills , Rick didnt know I was good at kill choices , and I didnt say that . It is A mistake on my part . Rick's kill was good , too , I cant blame them for them .
SK Not closing Vig , Like What was they expecting ? Bad play from that part .
#3175591: Not aggreeing on my part .
Cup wagon appeared at Last 24 hours anyway .
And as town , I probably stay off-wagon .
With commenting on main wagon Maybe .
I think The indicative thing Was me really commenting on there .

24 May 2019 / Friday

Spoiler: Not much to speak , tfios shoot was bad , and If Chem isnt SK he need to back to NFM with that quickhammer.
But he probably is .
TBH I am not trusting Qva , feeling they may be secret SK here .
Which should be congratulated.
If Chem is SK and they win , Everyone Except Chem needs to back to NFM .
With Chemist hosting it .

Qva , was your townreads on Mafia was geniune ?

[UzayAltay]

Unless you banked on seth being dense

given how seth has been this entire game.yes i would bank on.seth being dense

:clap:

so, SK hunting sucks. I'm also not going to wifom the night kill because it doesn't work.

let's rewind back to the tfios shot from ejji. why did the sk not switch ejji off?

two options, could be combined
1. stupid
2. wasnt in any danger

does either apply to me?

why did no one care about the obvious argument alluding to qva being SK

it just went ignored for some reason and no one even suspected qva even slightly because of it

Well........... the town knowing that I was allowed to shoot was another reason why I wanted to shoot tfio
They didn't know if SK chose town or mafia immunity though, so if anything my shot should have proven that the SK didn't notice that letting me mis-shoot would have lead to the game ending in LyLo instead of MyLo.
This probably cleared chemist, cuz I feel he should have noticed it as SK, regardless of what immunity he chose... but idk if it should be telling for the other players

/shrug

Well my dumb ass with vig immunity thought 4 townies is better than 5 townies so it was telling yeah

What Did You switched at nights ?
Us : N1-Doc/Vig , N2-Cop ,

[Qvapil]

Ah uzay I wanted to ask you why did you kill phone n1? I was expecting you to kill Dash. I went after Eragon because I wanted to signal that I'd stay out of your way so you can make predictable kills. Also I thought Eragon could have been mafia after D1, dunno how I got that idea it was a bit reckless of me.

As for my reads, I had rick as mafia from very early on. I had read purgatory II while it was ongoing and this rick seemed different. D1 I was paranoid that they were SK hunting, that's why I asked them a ton of questions, but I wasn't sure yet. D2 though I was certain, because they made that post accusing chemist of fake slipping from frustration of everyone else slipping. I was sure rick was projecting his own frustration there, but if I weren't scum I wouldn't have noticed it I think. I made a post too in D1 irritated about the slips but thankfully no one noticed it. However I thought I could work with rick since he townread me for effort so I never mentioned this read. Honestly of we lynched tfios instead of rick d3 and then rick got shot, rick killing ejji and me some random townie, I'd have won D4 by lynching goomba. That was my plan, had rick appeared to defend.

As for cupcake and uzay, my cupcake meta read d1 was legit, and so was my townread on you. Before flake started heavily accusing you D2 I was convinced you were town, especially D1. You were very townie imo

[Qvapil]

I just switched vig n1

[Qvapil]

Why didn't you switch cop n1?

[Qvapil]

I thought you'd switch cop and doc n1, or swap doc with vig if you were afraid.

[Qvapil]

I also didn't expect people to listen to me, both on cfd'ing off tfios and on lynching goomba over chemist D4. I felt I was throwing my chances away after these XD

[Qvapil]

Uzay who did you guys think was SK? Had you caught wind of me?

[UzayAltay]

Dash was thinking Rick is town , it was Why We avoided Dash kill Night 1. Rick Powerread Phone , which was truth . Rick was thinking Dash may be SK at some point of Day 1 , Than I am remembering I read Him PR .Tried to convince Rick but at Last We agreed on Phone , Actually I agreed with Rick's PR read after reading their ISO .
We were Actually SK hunting .
From Day 2 We were Actually thinking as Chem.
I considered You , but was thinking it is Chem until Over Said to us it is You ( he Said it at 2v1 )

[UzayAltay]

I thought you'd switch cop and doc n1, or swap doc with vig if you were afraid.

We Actually make A detailed analyze on " How past SK's Played ? "

1) SK : No switch ( W-immune ) ( Day Start)(VFM 22 )
2) SK : No - switch ( not immune , Setup start with 8v3v1 and night start ) ( Open 5 )
3) SK : Cop + vig switch ( V-immune , Open 430 , Night Start )
4) SK : Doc switch ( W - immune , nightstart , open 449 )
5) SK : Vig switch ( W-immune , night start , open 483)
6) SK : No Switch ( W-immune , night start , open 502)
7) SK : Cop switch ( V-immune , night start , open 704)

We realized V-immune SK always turned cop , and thought there is A V-immune SK here .

Also funny fact : Rick thought killing You at one part of Day 1 with thinking You are PR , but prevented it with saying " I am not thinking he is PR , Like even SK is 2 times More likely Than PR "

[Qvapil]

Well I was a v-immune SK and wanted cop turned off n1 because even if they got a green check, we had too many locktowns already. Also I wanted to be able to bluff mafia immunity afterwards. The main reason I chose town immunity was because I thought since I was new and there were strong players here, mafia would keep me alive.

[ejjinami]

Thanks guys I really enjoyed this game.

Same xD