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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 1:36 am

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Chemist1422 wrote:also you asked me to vote you unless I misunderstood, so ???

its called bait

you cannot call it bait then say I'm scum for pushing on you when I didn't even take it

that's dumb

you yourself said you were forcing yourself to not vote on me, dont twist my words. my response was just bait saying "haha bet you wont do it"
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 1:53 am

Night kill wise, from my pov, seth dying was the optimal play coming from chemist, and viable coming from debil. Debil I know seth was hard tunnelling chemist but you killing me had the risk that if seth ever reevaluated for even a fraction of a second, you'd never reconvince them to go for chemist again. If I don't take the night kill into account though, chemist's overall presence in the game is a huge factor in favour of them.


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Qvapil wrote:Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

that doesn't refute my point

if you're solving me vs qva, you made me look townier off of something that qva said which doesn't make sense because if they're SK there's some ulterior motive for the point

that doesnt refute my point either

it makes you look townier only against me though. he is solving you vs me, i said it makes you look better against me, disregarding the fact that i would not kill seth. you vs qva that point has no value in, as both of you have contributed similarily.

Run this last line by me

Are you saying your reads on me and Qva are the same?

no and yes
contribution activity and danger of dying wise, yes. both have popped out a similar ammount. you would see more danger from town, qva from scum. qva questioning a lot of people and throwing deep digs into people they find suspicious, you with your loud plays and d2 fake slip.


Also earlier you were 80/20, now you say we're even? Chemist accused you earlier of leaving windows for pushes with the 80/20, and even though I didn't agree with them then, you saying at this point that you don't suspect one of us over the other is incredibly fencesitty.
Imma ask you both, who do you think it is rn?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 1:54 am

I'll be home all day today so I'll be more active than yesterday.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 1:56 am

Debil, question for you. Chemist mentioned that he hasn't played NK. Do you think that they'd play like this game their first time?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 1:59 am

Same question for me as well.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 2:00 am

Also has proto/triangular or debil played NK?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 2:11 am

Qvapil wrote:Also has proto/triangular or debil played NK?

i have played detonator, in the all any. dont remember the exact number of the game but yeah
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 2:21 am

-to qvas even post-

you do realise many factors come into play when reading someone yes? i dont understsnd how both of you fail to understand that. i clearly said in the very post you quoted that my reads remain different, but on the factor of contribution and danger you are in, you both are equal.
Qvapil wrote:Debil, question for you. Chemist mentioned that he hasn't played NK. Do you think that they'd play like this game their first time?

why not? what is so different about NK that would prevent someone to play well on someone's first time? you pretty much play like town, except you want town to die. youve no real teammates, so you can play more freely.
Qvapil wrote:Same question for me as well.

same answer for you as well.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 2:23 am

qva - anything that would prevent you from being the SK here? honestly, you really are only towny, which holds not much value anymore. seth dying pretty much clears me and frames chemist, but the kill itself could have been done.by either of you.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:23 am

TheDebil wrote:-to qvas even post-

you do realise many factors come into play when reading someone yes? i dont understsnd how both of you fail to understand that. i clearly said in the very post you quoted that my reads remain different, but on the factor of contribution and danger you are in, you both are equal.
Qvapil wrote:Debil, question for you. Chemist mentioned that he hasn't played NK. Do you think that they'd play like this game their first time?

why not? what is so different about NK that would prevent someone to play well on someone's first time? you pretty much play like town, except you want town to die. youve no real teammates, so you can play more freely.
Qvapil wrote:Same question for me as well.

same answer for you as well.


TheDebil wrote:qva - anything that would prevent you from being the SK here? honestly, you really are only towny, which holds not much value anymore. seth dying pretty much clears me and frames chemist, but the kill itself could have been done.by either of you.


I know many factors come into play for reads. I'm trying to consider as many as I can, that's why I've talked about the night kills, the pushes yesterday, whole game presence and now meta. If there's anything else I can take into account, feel free to tell me.

The thing about NK role is that they have to survive at all costs, and your slot stalled for time a lot whereas chemist was really out there early game. I think that's telling.

I don't understand how you read me and chemist. You said we've contributed equally, with chemist being more loud and me being more towny, but then you say this doesn't matter. Don't you have anything more solid?

We won't agree on the night kill clearing you, but if I were SK I think my play starting D4 would be to push chemist yesterday and goomba today, especially since I was one of the people scumreading chemist before rick's death. Same could be said about you, but I was the one to push goomba yesterday, not you. And even though the seth kill can be easily argued against chemist, I've been pushing you instead. Whereas you've been repeating stuff, stating the obvious (ie seth kill is probably chemist's job) and avoiding to commit, as if you're waiting for one of us to push the other without you being the one that initiates, even though you've been on the thread a lot this day.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:40 am

I can't wrap my mind around the tfios shot. Chemist with vig immunity allowing it to go through is a hot take, but even then it's risky. I guess debil could have done it to give grounds for a chemist push later, but I don't think that's the correct play either. They didn't exploit it enough either. This, and the fear that I'm overthinking the night kill, is what's holding me from voting debil.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:50 am

Wait if you remember, dash succeeded in a cop check n1. That means either both mafia and SK switches the cop or neither. Assuming mafia by default keeps cop off, which is the correct play to make, that means SK switched them back on, which would imply town immunity. But that practically announces they have town immunity from D2 which isn't very smart. And we can't know for sure what happened with the switches. Ok this speculation leads nowhere.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:52 am

But like, if that tinfoil has any merit, SK!chemist with town immunity makes sense, since they were a possible dash target after EOD1.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:53 am

yes, i want you two to discuss amongst eachother more so i could come to an unbiased decision but you both refuse to do that and instead push me when im obv town. i dont know how difficult it is.to fucking understand that i would keep seth alive if i were scum but ok one of you is giving the win to the sk and the sk is having a field day here. chemist literally does not mention seth changing his mind in the wifom so he KNOWS that wont happen but still keeps pushing me. why would need a challenge, winning as sk would be enough of a challenge. wifom doesnt.matter when a tunnel.is in progress.

ill.do something later maybe, studing for exams rn so not much time i can dedicate to this.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 3:56 am

Imma go eat and reply to you afterwards. Gl with your studying.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 4:47 am

I thought chemist was the townier one between you two that's why I focused on you. But come to think of it chemist didn't talk about me much either, they immediately jumped on you as well, like you said. But they read me as town yesterday as well. Which is in your favour considering the night kill. Also he talked about almost voting you yesterday right after I went inactive. He couldn't have known that I'd go, and since I had only talked against you at that point, do you think he would have actually dropped a vote were I still there, hoping I'd take his lead without stopping to think? I can see this happening, it would honestly be a great chance for chemist, as I was already suspicious of you.

@chemist, initially you refused to talk about the wifom around the night kill, but then you got called out and fully analysed it. Why did you change your mind from thinking it's useless to talk about it?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 4:52 am

I honestly don't know. I'm second guessing myself. I'll return once I clear my head, hopefully one of you will be here so we can talk.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 4:53 am

Like I was almost sure it was debil, but what if I were too narrow minded and chemist tried to keep me that way by not talking much to me
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 4:57 am

I'd hate to accuse seth of tunnelling then do the same and lose the game
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 9:41 am

sorry i got kinda triggered
should be around in like 2 hours
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 11:56 am

Anyone here? Do you think we'll be able to end this in 2 hours ish? Otherwise I'll have to place my vote and go. I'm terribly sorry.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 12:07 pm

Debil what do you think about my posts about chemist?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 12:07 pm

What about you chemist? You haven't been here for a while.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby TheDebil » Sun May 26, 2019 12:08 pm

Qvapil wrote:Debil what do you think about my posts about chemist?

recent posts?
the shift from your initial thoughts to these seems a bit sudden for me
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Re: VFM 49: Day 4

Postby Qvapil » Sun May 26, 2019 12:10 pm

TheDebil wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Debil what do you think about my posts about chemist?

recent posts?
the shift from your initial thoughts to these seems a bit sudden for me


You said that me and chemist hadn't talked and it got me thinking.
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