VFM 49: SK win #rekt

[TheDebil]

not gonna lie I think it's Debil

Their 80/20 thing felt hedgy for the purpose of potentially keeping a Qva push open if Qva pushes them and I push Qva

so you think qva could never flip scum here? why is that exactly?
is the 80/20 thing the only lead you have against me?

no

nah, you're trying to force stuff in your favor (night kill wifom, switch wifom)

im using wifom to prove i am town, you are trying to shape it up to be something different here. you yourself wifomed the switch because it is the point that makes you townier but avoided discussing the kill.
think clearly and explain why would.i ever kill someone who has got grumpy/chemist as their last 2 candidates for scum and is not.considering anyone else instead of killing qva as scum.l and taking an easy win.
qva is a bit on a higher ground so the kill matters less to him, he could have killed anyone if.he were scum. you have to kill seth for the best chance of victory, but ultimately its a 1v1 vs me or 1v1 vs seth.
only you or qva can be scum here.

[Qvapil]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

[TheDebil]

i mean reads wise its gotta be qva as the town out of the two still
not only that chemist seems to not want to discuss much today. just kinda jumps to his conclusion and skips over the points and questions compared to qva who is actively trying to solve this final day. i get wifom may not be your cup of tea so how about other things that might help your case here.
i have clearly stated my reasoning of why am i still a little unsure but you decide it is scummy
i ask you if you dont think qva flips scum then but then you say no and nothing else
sounds to me like you would be the one.who would gladly jump on qva on occasion here

[TheDebil]

qva just read seth's iso.
he would not ever not vote chemist.
i wouldnt have any reason to attack him.
or do i have to pull quotes

[Chemist1422]

i mean reads wise its gotta be qva as the town out of the two still
not only that chemist seems to not want to discuss much today. just kinda jumps to his conclusion and skips over the points and questions compared to qva who is actively trying to solve this final day. i get wifom may not be your cup of tea so how about other things that might help your case here.
i have clearly stated my reasoning of why am i still a little unsure but you decide it is scummy
i ask you if you dont think qva flips scum then but then you say no and nothing else
sounds to me like you would be the one.who would gladly jump on qva on occasion here

see, you're doing exactly what I thought you'd do

you're trying to get me lynched now because I went after you and not Qva

What points and questions did I skip over?

I don't think Qva flips scum because I think you've acted more in the interests of an SK today

[TheDebil]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

[Chemist1422]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

[TheDebil]

you're trying to get me lynched now because I went after you and not Qva

no, you have simply been scummier today. and i have stated why in the post you are quoting here, while you are being vague. your actions so far are of an SK who is at an advantage and instantly jumps for the push.

What points and questions did I skip over?

you have not read what we were talking about.
"Wifom bad, debil scum".

I don't think Qva flips scum because I think you've acted more in the interests of an SK today

what are the "interests of an SK" exactly

[Chemist1422]

you're trying to get me lynched now because I went after you and not Qva

no, you have simply been scummier today. and i have stated why in the post you are quoting here, while you are being vague. your actions so far are of an SK who is at an advantage and instantly jumps for the push.

What points and questions did I skip over?

you have not read what we were talking about.
"Wifom bad, debil scum".

I don't think Qva flips scum because I think you've acted more in the interests of an SK today

what are the "interests of an SK" exactly

1. you're using my push on you as a reason why I'm scum, so
2. I did actually read it but didn't process it, help me out here
3. not getting lynched

[TheDebil]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

[Chemist1422]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

that doesn't refute my point

if you're solving me vs qva, you made me look townier off of something that qva said which doesn't make sense because if they're SK there's some ulterior motive for the point

[TheDebil]

1. "a reason" not "the reason". i would agree having my only reason be the fact you voted on me is bad, but that simply is not the case
2. read again, we have plenty of time still. an entire day.
3. yeah, and how is that wrong exactly. i am the person most likely to be lynched here so my priority is to not get lynched, then try solving the game.

[Chemist1422]

1. "a reason" not "the reason". i would agree having my only reason be the fact you voted on me is bad, but that simply is not the case
2. read again, we have plenty of time still. an entire day.
3. yeah, and how is that wrong exactly. i am the person most likely to be lynched here so my priority is to not get lynched, then try solving the game.

1. so what are your other reasons then? if it's a part of 2 you can ignore this
2. I'm forcing myself not to vote you now I don't have patience, but fine
3. bolded is probably a lie, depending on where qva is at. still it doesn't matter if the other townie gets lynched

[TheDebil]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

that doesn't refute my point

if you're solving me vs qva, you made me look townier off of something that qva said which doesn't make sense because if they're SK there's some ulterior motive for the point

that doesnt refute my point either

it makes you look townier only against me though. he is solving you vs me, i said it makes you look better against me, disregarding the fact that i would not kill seth. you vs qva that point has no value in, as both of you have contributed similarily.

[TheDebil]

1. "a reason" not "the reason". i would agree having my only reason be the fact you voted on me is bad, but that simply is not the case
2. read again, we have plenty of time still. an entire day.
3. yeah, and how is that wrong exactly. i am the person most likely to be lynched here so my priority is to not get lynched, then try solving the game.

1. so what are your other reasons then? if it's a part of 2 you can ignore this
2. I'm forcing myself not to vote you now I don't have patience, but fine
3. bolded is probably a lie, depending on where qva is at. still it doesn't matter if the other townie gets lynched

1. read again, take your time. you yourself said "a reason", so you yourself saw multiple.
2. feel free. probably wont do it since qva isnt voting me.
3. qva was continiously questioning whether i was town, and you had qva higher than me. it may have changed now but the odds infact are stacked against me.

[Chemist1422]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

that doesn't refute my point

if you're solving me vs qva, you made me look townier off of something that qva said which doesn't make sense because if they're SK there's some ulterior motive for the point

that doesnt refute my point either

it makes you look townier only against me though. he is solving you vs me, i said it makes you look better against me, disregarding the fact that i would not kill seth. you vs qva that point has no value in, as both of you have contributed similarily.

Run this last line by me

Are you saying your reads on me and Qva are the same?

[TheDebil]

Debil I still don't think the nightkill clears you, you could have done it for wifom. And if you look at the whole game, your slot seems far more likely to be SK since ptoto prodged through D1, then got force replaced, then you were late to catch up and be active and relevant in discussions. Whereas chemist has been very active and out there, especially EOD1 and SOD2. I think SK would want to stay in the sidelines a bit more. What doesn't make sense with this is the tfios shot.

yeah, i cant argue with my slot being dead for the first 2 days, for sure. and chemists.activity has been decent throughout the game. if he had vigi immuntiy, he would fear a cop still.
this one is a point for chemist.

uh

not sure why you're admitting that, because unless you're the SK it's either me or the person who raised that point?

it is. qva has a me vs you scenario and in that scenario yea this is a point against me. your slot has been more active and out there.
in my scenario it is you vs qva , and qva is solving his own scenario while you are trying to find ways to make me look worse.

that doesn't refute my point

if you're solving me vs qva, you made me look townier off of something that qva said which doesn't make sense because if they're SK there's some ulterior motive for the point

that doesnt refute my point either

it makes you look townier only against me though. he is solving you vs me, i said it makes you look better against me, disregarding the fact that i would not kill seth. you vs qva that point has no value in, as both of you have contributed similarily.

Run this last line by me

Are you saying your reads on me and Qva are the same?

no and yes
contribution activity and danger of dying wise, yes. both have popped out a similar ammount. you would see more danger from town, qva from scum. qva questioning a lot of people and throwing deep digs into people they find suspicious, you with your loud plays and d2 fake slip.

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

you arent gonna wifom nightkill, because it incriminates you the most

I think you're missing the definition of wifom here

do explain then. nightkill makes no sense from my perspective, and you not wanting to join in makes you more suspcicious in return

I could have done it because I thought seth would tunnel me
But I also could have killed you because I thought I could beat seth in a 1v1
Or you or Qva could have killed him to frame me

It's all WIFOM

except some are less absurd and some actually make sense
just throwing out ideas ofcourse not going to do anything
but finding whats the most probable and likely is the play

not gonna lie I think it's Debil

Their 80/20 thing felt hedgy for the purpose of potentially keeping a Qva push open if Qva pushes them and I push Qva

so you think qva could never flip scum here? why is that exactly?
is the 80/20 thing the only lead you have against me?

not gonna lie I think it's Debil

Their 80/20 thing felt hedgy for the purpose of potentially keeping a Qva push open if Qva pushes them and I push Qva

so you think qva could never flip scum here? why is that exactly?
is the 80/20 thing the only lead you have against me?

no

nah, you're trying to force stuff in your favor (night kill wifom, switch wifom)

im using wifom to prove i am town, you are trying to shape it up to be something different here. you yourself wifomed the switch because it is the point that makes you townier but avoided discussing the kill.
think clearly and explain why would.i ever kill someone who has got grumpy/chemist as their last 2 candidates for scum and is not.considering anyone else instead of killing qva as scum.l and taking an easy win.
qva is a bit on a higher ground so the kill matters less to him, he could have killed anyone if.he were scum. you have to kill seth for the best chance of victory, but ultimately its a 1v1 vs me or 1v1 vs seth.
only you or qva can be scum here.

this is the stuff to respond to

but first I might have to AtE if you guys don't mind

[Chemist1422]

snip

no and yes
contribution activity and danger of dying wise, yes. both have popped out a similar ammount. you would see more danger from town, qva from scum. qva questioning a lot of people and throwing deep digs into people they find suspicious, you with your loud plays and d2 fake slip.

okay firstly it wasn't a fake slip but we had this argument

secondly, would that imply qva chose mafia kill immunity? would that clear them?

[TheDebil]

I haven't played with you before. I don't know whether you'd make the safer play or the weird one. Chemist who do you think debil would have killed?

I'll be back later, gotta go now. I really want to hear chemist's thoughts and think.

in general talk more to qva
you going after me isnt really going to change my mind since this kinda forces a gladiation between you and me

[TheDebil]

snip

no and yes
contribution activity and danger of dying wise, yes. both have popped out a similar ammount. you would see more danger from town, qva from scum. qva questioning a lot of people and throwing deep digs into people they find suspicious, you with your loud plays and d2 fake slip.

okay firstly it wasn't a fake slip but we had this argument

secondly, would that imply qva chose mafia kill immunity? would that clear them?

what was it then a real slip
you get my point

if qva was then yeah it might be the play for sk qva would have gone for, but less obvious since he wasnt in danger during the sk lynch

[Chemist1422]

I haven't played with you before. I don't know whether you'd make the safer play or the weird one. Chemist who do you think debil would have killed?

I'll be back later, gotta go now. I really want to hear chemist's thoughts and think.

in general talk more to qva
you going after me isnt really going to change my mind since this kinda forces a gladiation between you and me

working on it

also you asked me to vote you unless I misunderstood, so ???

[TheDebil]

also you asked me to vote you unless I misunderstood, so ???

its called bait

[Chemist1422]

I think I responded to your point on qva

All nightkill situations:
Debil SK, kill Chemist
Spoiler: Why: Easy to frame seth and mislynch them, I'd potentially work back around to them if left alive (spoiler: i'd always have voted seth in an F3 with them if for no other reason than that I refuse to lose to SK!Seth)
Why not: Seth would be lost and possibly end up on Debil, Qva could re-evaluate enough to lynch Debil over Seth
Debil SK, kill Qva
Spoiler: Why: Set up a Chemist v Seth TvT 1v1 that ends in an easy win
Why not: WIFOM? They like a challenge? Doesn't make much sense, but neither does Qva not killing Debil? to reference (warning: game is really long): Hydra Game 1, Evan/Wolfy killed me/Jalandh going into F3 after pocketing us
Debil SK, kill Seth
Spoiler: Why/Why not: See the situation where I'm killed, except reverse Seth and me
Chemist SK, kill Debil
Spoiler: Why: Forces a 1v1 with Seth with Qva somewhere in the middle
Why not: Risking losing the 1v1
Chemist SK, kill Qva
Spoiler: Why: Could use Qva's reads as an argument
Why not: Puts me in an F3 with two people who both stated they wanted me dead
Chemist SK, kill Seth
Spoiler: Why: No 1v1 tunneling match to deal with
Why not: Puts me in a disadvantaged situation where I have to go back on a townread
Qva SK, kill Debil
Spoiler: Why: 1v1 tunnel match between Seth/Chemist basically always happens
Why not: "why did you not die" questions?
Qva SK, kill Chemist
Spoiler: Why: Lost seth, debil likely to go after seth?
Why not: Debil/Seth could potentially go after Qva in that scenario
Qva SK, kill Seth
Spoiler: Why: Sets up position where they're the consensus town
Why not: Stops the 1v1 tunneling match

[Chemist1422]

also you asked me to vote you unless I misunderstood, so ???

its called bait

you cannot call it bait then say I'm scum for pushing on you when I didn't even take it

that's dumb