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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 12:31 pm

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ejjinami wrote:Ok, it might be a bit hypocritical coming from me, but don’t bully seth. Those are still prob the most reasonable reads he’s given since the start of the game and it’s not like they can be perfect from the very start. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s just as uninformed as Debil because of all that tunneling, so maybe it might be worth to actually talk instead of just shitting on them.

Wasn't intending on bullying, just trying to get him to explain how he reached his conclusions

well, yeah, I was mostly talking to grumpy
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Mon May 20, 2019 12:31 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 12:32 pm

ejjinami wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Ok, it might be a bit hypocritical coming from me, but don’t bully seth. Those are still prob the most reasonable reads he’s given since the start of the game and it’s not like they can be perfect from the very start. It wouldn’t be a stretch to say that he’s just as uninformed as Debil because of all that tunneling, so maybe it might be worth to actually talk instead of just shitting on them.

Wasn't intending on bullying, just trying to get him to explain how he reached his conclusions

well, yeah, I was mostly talking to grumpy

Yeah just wanted to make sure I wasn't offending anyone
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 12:33 pm

Flake wrote:Green Name = Town Prediction
Gray Name = Main PoE Pool

First number next to name given in Green is Town equity number, 10 meaning strongest Town equity, 0 meaning least Town equity
Second number next to name given in Red is Mafia equity number, 10 meaning strongest Mafia equity, 0 meaning least Mafia equity
Third number next to name given in Blue is SK equity number, 10 meaning strongest SK equity, 0 meaning least SK equity

Equity number of 5 always means approximately equal to the natural probability that they'd flip the alignment (11/15, 3/15, 1/15 for Town, Mafia, SK respectively)

UzayAltay (6, 4, 5)
Crimson97 (3, 7, 6)
Chemist1422 (6, 4, 5)
tfiosforevah (6, 4, 4)
cupcakeaj2 (7, 2, 5)
Dash2 (9, 2, 2)
Eragon1329 (5, 5, 5)
Rickdaily12 (4, 6, 4)
Qvapil (6, 4, 4)
GrumpyGoomba (5, 3, 6)
Zucker (8, 2, 4)
Flake (10, 0, 0)
Phone0Ix (5, 5, 4)
ProtoZigg (7, 4, 3)
ejjinami (5, 4, 6)

that's a lotta color tags
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 12:34 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:You can't just bloody slap some quotes on your wall and then expect them to somehow explain what you want. Take each and every single one of the quotes that you have posted and explain how they make the ones you accused look scummy, because from what I can see you are just manipulating TvT interactions to appear TvS in case of dead towns and the dead mafia quotes don't even make any sense.

if you say, the reads are scummy, I absolutely disagree.

Seththeking wrote:Ok so I just had this whole thing and I just deleted it so I don’t want to do that all over again.
Anyway, Ejji made good points of GG being lamist and GrumpyGoomba Voted for Cupcake after they were outted and said something very odd before it but I can’t remember what it was.
But you know what guys. ISO Both Ejji And GG your darn selfs and you will see what I mean stop being like chemist and trying to get others to answer and actually ISO yourself.

hush up as well, you’re getting emotional. Talk to me about tfio and Proto
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 12:37 pm

Actually, everyone could answer the last one

I really think I want to lynch tfio there
and besides rick (whom I still haven't tried to read, lol), I think Debil might be the only player I don't have a read on
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 12:37 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either

tfiosforevah wrote:/vote Crimson

i believe i was one of the first to openly scumread crimson in my reads, and i trusted that instinct more than the one on cupcake

especially with crimson's activity spike after being wagoned, and still the lack of influencing content is very scummy for them. either way, they seem to be the smartest lynch for today

edit: oH HECK NO ZUCKER


I keep coming back to these two tfios posts

I think the first one is villagery because they don't take a solid stance to bury a villager and keep their options open to push a wolf, but the second looks bad because they do end up committing to burying Crimson over cupcake, plus their response to Zucker feels fake given their usual tone.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 12:39 pm

I'm not reading Rick until he gets back today and gives me his thoughts on the flips+his PoE

Waiting on Debil's catchup for that slot
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 12:39 pm

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TheDebil wrote:alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

the game has moved on, Grumpy is 99% not mafia and prob not SK
If you want to read, I suggest starting from page 20
That’s (around) when the fun stuff starts happening
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 12:40 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:I'm not reading Rick until he gets back today and gives me his thoughts on the flips+his PoE

Waiting on Debil's catchup for that slot

fair, I guess
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby TheDebil » Mon May 20, 2019 12:58 pm

ejjinami wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

the game has moved on, Grumpy is 99% not mafia and prob not SK
If you want to read, I suggest starting from page 20
That’s (around) when the fun stuff starts happening

well you will be happy to know that i have only read pages 1-18 and writing a readlist based on these pages just to have something behind my name
will probably end up skimming through the rest as fast as possible just so i can atleast be caught up before D2 ends and make a second readlist
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 1:04 pm

TheDebil wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
TheDebil wrote:
TheDebil wrote:alright im finally getting to the game pls wait several hours

just reached page 10 pog
i am speed
so guys i see you pressuring grumpy here and i have come with my early game reads
i have a question:
yall have any specific allignment in mind, or do you just think grumpy is scummy in general?

the game has moved on, Grumpy is 99% not mafia and prob not SK
If you want to read, I suggest starting from page 20
That’s (around) when the fun stuff starts happening

well you will be happy to know that i have only read pages 1-18 and writing a readlist based on these pages just to have something behind my name
will probably end up skimming through the rest as fast as possible just so i can atleast be caught up before D2 ends and make a second readlist

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 1:09 pm

@Over it’s ok if I use my main account right?
@Chemist I’d like your full reads list of everyone please, not just Tfios.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 1:10 pm

Seththeking wrote:@Over it’s ok if I use my main account right?
@Chemist I’d like your full reads list of everyone please, not just Tfios.

{Chemist}
{Seth, Qva, Debil}
{Rick}
{tfios, Goomba}
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Will explain once I get home
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 1:11 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:@Over it’s ok if I use my main account right?
@Chemist I’d like your full reads list of everyone please, not just Tfios.

{Chemist}
{Seth, Qva, Debil}
{Rick}
{tfios, Goomba}
{}

Will explain once I get home


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 1:12 pm

Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:@Over it’s ok if I use my main account right?
@Chemist I’d like your full reads list of everyone please, not just Tfios.

{Chemist}
{Seth, Qva, Debil}
{Rick}
{tfios, Goomba}
{}

Will explain once I get home


Ejji doesn’t exist right?

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 1:13 pm

why is debil so high?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 1:13 pm

and why is grumpy so low
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 1:14 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Will explain once I get home

oh, wait, ok
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 1:15 pm

I'm fucking mad

Windows 10 just hijacked my computer to do updates without my content and just completely destroyed 2+ hours of VCA

I do not fucking need this right now
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 1:15 pm

Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:@Over it’s ok if I use my main account right?
@Chemist I’d like your full reads list of everyone please, not just Tfios.

{Chemist}
{Seth, Qva, Debil}
{Rick}
{tfios, Goomba}
{}

Will explain once I get home


Ejji doesn’t exist right?

I had to rush and couldn't double-check
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 1:16 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:Okay guys, here’s a very important question

Due to the two kills n1 vs the 3 kills n2, are we thinking the vig was shut off or maf/vig hit night immune sk?



This last post here honestly feels like a Vigilante Soft Claim.
That’s why I don’t want to vote Tfios.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 1:18 pm

Seththeking wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:Okay guys, here’s a very important question

Due to the two kills n1 vs the 3 kills n2, are we thinking the vig was shut off or maf/vig hit night immune sk?



This last post here honestly feels like a Vigilante Soft Claim.
That’s why I don’t want to vote Tfios.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 20, 2019 1:23 pm

Ok, so here's my approach to today.

When my computer stops being a nazi, I'm going to try to do another indepth analysis of VCA again. Hopefully in that time I can stop being absolutely enraged in the process.

After that, I'm going to update my reads.

In the meantime, I have a suggestion.

As it is currently effectively MyLo, the Vig should claim today. I know a lot of people have already argued against this so far, and I don't know if you did it for shortsighted reasons or if you don't understand the consequences of this, but the claim needs to happen now. Reasons why:

1. If people keep being themselves and searching for two scum who cannot associate with each other from now on, if someone's strongest SR 24 hours from now is the Vig, they have wasted the entire day for nothing and you now force that person to guess within their remaining PoE with weaker accuracy.

2. Building on the above, everyone's PoE becomes stronger with one less suspect on the list, as we'll have more time to look over everyone else between now and EoD.

3. The Vig has a high likihood of dying after tonight if we mislynch regardless. Outting the Vig also increasing the chances of Scum targetting the same player (we WIFOM mafia and SK into hitting the same target if they try to gamble on whether to be the one to kill the vig or not)

Basically I see every reason for the vig to out and virtually zero reasons not to. With the amount of killing power in the game, it just really doesn't matter at this point. Vigs should claim in every MyLo anyway, it's pretty much straight forward meta.

Let's not waste any time today.

If anyone has any questions that I'm not about to spend time answering anyway, please bump them and I'll get back to them later at some point, but I'm going to start with the flips.
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