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Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:23 pm
by Seththeking
TheDebil wrote:your reasons on why chemist is sk are kinda bullshit so i think either allignment could have gotten those


I don’t know.
Just to me I feel as if that was the most SK posts.

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 pm
by Chemist1422
Seththeking wrote:8 Reasons as to why I can’t be SK. (Since the SK or more SK then SK feels like I’d be a good target)


1) I stopped the Tfios miss lynched and helped lynch actual scum
2) I have been super Aggressive this entire game, which I usually always am as Citizen.
3) If I was SK I would have killed Uzay or Qva because I’d usually kill my Town Reads.
4) If I was SK I would have been hesitant to vote at all because only 1 Mafia left.
5) If I was SK I would have either sheeped or not voted at all
6) I helped get the votes off of Tfios and into Rick
7) I wouldn’t have gain this much information of why I think Chemist is SK if I was actually SK
8) Everything that I have done was entirely my idea or choice and no one else’s

1. Not AI because you wouldn’t know if tfios was town
2. Self-meta doesn’t apply
3. WIFOM
4. WIFOM
5. You did sheep what
6. That’s the same as number 1
7. Why would you not? You’d need to lynch me to win
8. Both false and NAI

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:25 pm
by Chemist1422
Seththeking wrote:
Seththeking wrote:snip


Chemist where did you answer this?
Your only response to this was “wait till I get on Computer”

Read my ISO

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:25 pm
by Chemist1422
Chemist1422 wrote: Spoiler:
Seththeking wrote:This is what I was going to say before the thread was locked for Rick’s Flip:
@Chemist

See right now you don’t want to take any risks.
Your hoping Ejji doesn’t get to ISO you in time.
Your hoping Ejji doesn’t call you out on shooting you because then you’d Be locked SK
Your hoping if you do get what you want here you can manipulate town into miss Lynching and giving you the win.
Well chemist as long as I’m alive, I’ll make sure you don’t get your SK win.
admitting to tunneling, shading me off stuff that's unprovable, ignoring my posts
^

Also not to mention I believe Chemist softed SK.
ignoring my counterarguments
So In order for Chemist to not manipulate his way to victory I’ll do what Ejji requested me to do and explain why chemist’s arguments are bad.
zzz
So let’s go over a few things Chemist has said.
Also keep in mind I’m currently writing this on notepads before Rick has flipped yet.
cool
Anyway, for the first 1 this was his response to the difference between NE and NK.

Probably, because they have different wincons

The only time I ever played as NK was a meme game though so you probably won't be able to meta me on it

NE can win with all Scum and NK must kill Town and Mafia.
I mean I’ll give you that 1 is harder then the other but the playstyle is still relatively similar.
no it's not, there's a fundamental difference

NE needs to know who to kill, NK doesn't

Your also playing like your NE game but worse, which makes me believe that this is your NK playstyle.
I take it I won't be getting an explanation on this
What Meme game are you even referring to?
Cow's April Fools mash on MU
Now for the second one.
This is your response for when I caught you softing SK.
not even close
I think you misunderstood my post

If Ejji says they’re shooting someone and that person is the SK, they’ll just flip so they don’t get shot


Ok so I’m a little lost on this one so I’ll try and brake it down.
Ejji says they Shoot’s Player B the SK
SK will flip SK so they don’t get shot?????!!!??? :/
Flip as in switch ejji off so they can't shoot

Here’s some of his comments I’ll also answer.

1. It's not an SK soft at all, I refuted it and you called me flailing
2. Not puppeting, Dash and I agreed on a lot of reads.
3. If I was SK why would I need to vote Crimson? I wasn't a lynch target and he was almost definitely dying anyway.


My response to “1.”
Refuted: prove (a statement or theory) to be wrong or false; disprove.
SK Flips SK! :). Totally proved me wrong there fam!
See above
My response to “2”
While most of them might be true I want you to see your Reactions with Crimson and Dash.
Not to mention always that much agreeing with Dash could also be signs of being SK. Also I think Sheeping is what I was looking for not Puppeting.
will respond to the individual reactions separately, but how is agreeing with someone SK indicative at all?
Oh did you not hear

They got rid of spoilers for non-trusted

Also I don’t know why you’re under the assumption that I sheeping you and not that I had the idea separately but just posted it later

Yes, don't see the problem here
/vote Crimson

This has not been here and now it deserves to be

And if nothing else you can look at the spike in activity since he got wagoned

Still don't see the problem here


My response to “3”

You voted Crimson in case they Flipped Mafia so you could appear more Town, However once you realized Crimson was Town is where my suspicion went away from Dash and onto you.
I voted Crimson because I thought they were going to flip scum.

The I Claimed I can easily find more reads later today and instead of casually saying I’ll be waiting he responds with this
That wasn't the post I was responding to, This one was
There's three problems with that post

1. You're pandering again
2. You said something that you called me scum for saying
3. You're being rude


Response for “1”
I’m not entirely sure what Pandering is but I assume it means Ramble on which is false because I wasn’t just deathtunneling you for the same thing but multiple things.
No, that's wrong. Pandering is trying to agree with someone else to make them think you're on their side. Similar to pocketing.
Response for “2”
What was that exactly?
If we mislynch ejji doesn't shoot
Response for “3”
Oh yeah and that’s problematic how exactly?
It's not alignment related, it's just you being a jerk

Also not to mention these Posts are obviously contradicting recent statements.

I think Zucker and tfios are both likely town though I'm less solid on Zucker after yesterday's EoD combined with the Crimson flip, tfios I already explained

Reads change, unless you're tunneling
Besides, didn't you think I was scum already? It feels like you're trying to justify it with the slip now.
(Says that to Dash’s Slip Caught but not mine)
That implies it was a slip in any sense

I was aware of the slip when I typed the post

Not when I posted it

We went over this D2
I Said: Says the guy that voted Crimson at the wrong time.
Chemist Replied with:
towqipghwqpoieghwqoeginw

???

Also right here you didn’t want to be associated with Crimson if she Flipped Mafia.
You're both trying to paint me as scum with the other

Drop your read on me or your read on Zucker. Same with you, Zucker. Drop your read on me or your read on Crimson.

Yeah because the way Crimson acted EoD meant we were never w/w, if you would care to read into it at all
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:I motion for a tfios lynch if they refuse to start posting meaningful content


I'm not not okay with this

They play at their own pace but if they don't actually play they can get lynched

Metaread, tfios has trouble making solid reads as scum
Crimson is slightly towny by tone but I want to see more from them

Reads change
Also this post by Chemist explains why SK killed Phone.

Phone is genuinely solving and not self-aware at all, which is both townie and an improvement over his recent games

So that doesn't apply to anyone else who had a similar read?
Not to mention that Tfios called out Rick and we Lynched Rick.
Chemist didn’t call out rick because he was too worried about the chance of himself getting lynched.
I was nullscumreading Rick the entire game, but sure
However looking at ISO I can say Chemist as been doing the following:
FoS
the heck does that even mean in this situation
Leaning on Town’s approval to attempt to stay safe
That's probably a better definition of pandering than the one I posted above, so that's actually what you've been doing
Accusing anyone he has a chance in Lynching without Lynching himself
Now you're contradicting yourself. You just said I didn't call out Rick
Slipping
zzz
Not voting Tfios at end of vote count despite them being sure it’s Tfios.
Vote wouldn't have changed anything, I said it was between Rick/tfios/Goomba for me, so I was okay with any of those three getting lynched.
Prob More.
Oh, so you're not done!

Furthermore this should be clear that Chemist is the Serial Killer.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:29 pm
by Seththeking
Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:8 Reasons as to why I can’t be SK. (Since the SK or more SK then SK feels like I’d be a good target)


1) I stopped the Tfios miss lynched and helped lynch actual scum
2) I have been super Aggressive this entire game, which I usually always am as Citizen.
3) If I was SK I would have killed Uzay or Qva because I’d usually kill my Town Reads.
4) If I was SK I would have been hesitant to vote at all because only 1 Mafia left.
5) If I was SK I would have either sheeped or not voted at all
6) I helped get the votes off of Tfios and into Rick
7) I wouldn’t have gain this much information of why I think Chemist is SK if I was actually SK
8) Everything that I have done was entirely my idea or choice and no one else’s

1. Not AI because you wouldn’t know if tfios was town
2. Self-meta doesn’t apply
3. WIFOM
4. WIFOM
5. You did sheep what
6. That’s the same as number 1
7. Why would you not? You’d need to lynch me to win
8. Both false and NAI


EXCUSE ME!
I WAS THE FIRST TO CALL YOU OUT AS SCUM!
DON’T GIVE NE THAT!

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:32 pm
by Chemist1422
Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:8 Reasons as to why I can’t be SK. (Since the SK or more SK then SK feels like I’d be a good target)


1) I stopped the Tfios miss lynched and helped lynch actual scum
2) I have been super Aggressive this entire game, which I usually always am as Citizen.
3) If I was SK I would have killed Uzay or Qva because I’d usually kill my Town Reads.
4) If I was SK I would have been hesitant to vote at all because only 1 Mafia left.
5) If I was SK I would have either sheeped or not voted at all
6) I helped get the votes off of Tfios and into Rick
7) I wouldn’t have gain this much information of why I think Chemist is SK if I was actually SK
8) Everything that I have done was entirely my idea or choice and no one else’s

1. Not AI because you wouldn’t know if tfios was town
2. Self-meta doesn’t apply
3. WIFOM
4. WIFOM
5. You did sheep what
6. That’s the same as number 1
7. Why would you not? You’d need to lynch me to win
8. Both false and NAI


EXCUSE ME!
I WAS THE FIRST TO CALL YOU OUT AS SCUM!
DON’T GIVE NE THAT!

???

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:34 pm
by TheDebil
yikes :BlobStop: :BlobStop: :BlobStop:

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:35 pm
by Chemist1422
The moment I hammer is the signal I'm just done

But I do think GG lynch ends the game about 80-something% of the time

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:39 pm
by Seththeking
Chemist are you that bad sir?
Switch Vig died a long time ago so Ejji would have never been affected.

I Said: Says the guy that voted Crimson at the wrong time.
Chemist Replied with:
towqipghwqpoieghwqoeginw

Still haven’t given reason why you decided to give me a bunch of random letters.

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:40 pm
by Seththeking
In all honestly it’s probably just Chemist having those really bad games and it’s GrumpyGoomba and I’m just worried about all this for nothing.

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:41 pm
by Chemist1422
Welp Seth just cleared himself

He didn't realize SK can switch too

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:42 pm
by TheDebil
Seththeking wrote:In all honestly it’s probably just Chemist having those really bad games and it’s GrumpyGoomba and I’m just worried about all this for nothing.

impressive how you tunneled him into the core of the earth yet still able to make this comment

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:42 pm
by Chemist1422
Seththeking wrote:In all honestly it’s probably just Chemist having those really bad games and it’s GrumpyGoomba and I’m just worried about all this for nothing.

You've been tunneling me all game

/vote GrumpyGoomba

I'm done. This should end it, if not we're doomed.

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:42 pm
by Seththeking
Chemist1422 wrote:Welp Seth just cleared himself

He didn't realize SK can switch too


It only stop so Mafia switches.

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 pm
by Chemist1422
Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Welp Seth just cleared himself

He didn't realize SK can switch too


It only stop so Mafia switches.

It can reverse mafia switches at any time

You've uncleared yourself with this post though

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 pm
by TheDebil
"If you switch a power role and they are not being switched they are switched off."
hes not cleared

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 pm
by Seththeking
Chemist1422 wrote:
Seththeking wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Welp Seth just cleared himself

He didn't realize SK can switch too


It only stop so Mafia switches.

It can reverse mafia switches at any time

You've uncleared yourself with this post though


Shhhh. Stop Twlight Postingz

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:01 pm
by 0verki11
Current Vote Count
Player Votes Voters
  # Votes Until Majority

Night ends 24 hours from now glgl.
Grumpygoomba was citizen

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2019 11:55 pm
by 0verki11
Seththeking has died they were
Spoiler: Citizen

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:08 am
by TheDebil
question to both of you
sk could have stopped the vig shot on tfios, yes?

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:11 am
by TheDebil
also
nice d3 bro

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:19 am
by TheDebil
idk
seth kill makes pefrect sense for chemist to do as killing qva would practically end him since seth thinks im locktown. killing me isnt exactly as good but could have also worked since if chemist is scum qva suspects seth enough and i think chemist would win in a 1v1 argument
but then there is the fact that the sk could (?) stop the vig shot which is 100% the correct play to make because one of the 2 lynches would be wasted on tfios most likely
which i think chemist would be less likely to pass on esp given the fact that he was one of the suspects of ejji and he might have been in danger there
im more lost than i feel i should be here


reads wise chemist is the scum but mechanics wise qva seems to be the boy

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:21 am
by TheDebil
however
the second point might be nothing because the sk might have picked vigi immunity

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:23 am
by Qvapil
TheDebil wrote:question to both of you
sk could have stopped the vig shot on tfios, yes?


Yes. That means they're either vig immune, or not chemist, as chemist was a possible target.

Edit: ninja'd, I'll read your post now

Re: VFM 49: Day 3

PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2019 12:27 am
by Qvapil
Why would chemist try to stop a tfios shot? Both me and seth were in favour of tfios D3. How would they have gotten a mislynch off her?