Chemist1422 wrote:Why is Seth calling me scum for not wanting to risk insta-loss
I’m calling you scum for straight out dumb choice making. You vote Tfios and don’t even wait till their on to ask for their reads or anything as such. You don’t want Vigilante to reveal then later changed their mind to only if they are on the Wagon. Then you want Vigilante not to shoot a potential scum. Vigilante is meant for solo dissuasion making. So you can shoot the scum that you feel by your own means. Your saying you want to rely on majority votes which could easily benefit yourself. Another reason as to why I feel you are SK.
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
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The thing is It isnt What You First Said . You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points " The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth . How ? Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ? Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "
If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
Chemist1422 wrote:If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO
Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there. Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour. Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia. Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)
Chemist1422 wrote:Why is Seth calling me scum for not wanting to risk insta-loss
I’m calling you scum for straight out dumb choice making. You vote Tfios and don’t even wait till their on to ask for their reads or anything as such. You don’t want Vigilante to reveal then later changed their mind to only if they are on the Wagon. Then you want Vigilante not to shoot a potential scum. Vigilante is meant for solo dissuasion making. So you can shoot the scum that you feel by your own means. Your saying you want to rely on majority votes which could easily benefit yourself. Another reason as to why I feel you are SK.
Let me walk you through this
It’s 6v1v1. If there is a mislynch and vig, SK, and mafia all kill different town, that’s 2v1v1 which is basically a loss.
Chemist1422 wrote:If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO
Working on that after I VCA, the Mafia read is primarily the VCA portion so far, to be fair. My SK read is stronger. (I know, I'm agreeing with Zucker and it's fucking horrifying <_<)
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Chemist1422 wrote:No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it
And the bolded is just rude
For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:
If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.
Maf I can understand due to their stance on crimson, but why SK? I think they were too "out there" EOD1 to be SK.
Oof what you said about having a not maf+not sk read is harder than it seems.
No, Chemist generally isn't afraid to put himself out there as any alignment. What I said closer to Day 1 about constantly comparing people to meta and interrogating others on that basis has really declined from my viewpoint of Chemist since Day 1. His votes were questionable, the exchange about the slip with Flake was still gross, and I've just expected more from him.
From my briefer ISOs of Uzay and Cupcake, I also think the Mafia have a strong player on their team, and Chemist is one of the first people who come to mind. Uzay is good too, don't get me wrong, but I don't expect him to coach people as often as Chemist.
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Chemist1422 wrote:If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO
Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there. Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour. Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia. Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)
That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia
Chemist1422 wrote:If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO
Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there. Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour. Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia. Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)
That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia
Yeah shame on them for putting down the SK. I gotcha buddy! . Don’t stab me tonight and we gochy!
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
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The thing is It isnt What You First Said . You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points " The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth . How ? Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ? Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "
If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
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Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.
The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.
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Chemist1422 wrote:If anyone thinks I’m mafia I’d like to direct them to Uzay’s ISO
Chemist that’s a Serial Killer Move right there. Try and use that to gain the majority of players in your favour. Not to mention stupid player because your more Serial Killer Over Mafia. Not to mention again, you’ve only really been called Serial Killer then defend yourself as not Mafia???? (Will Smith Face)
That was in response to Rick and Qva who both called me potential mafia
Yeah shame on them for putting down the SK. I gotcha buddy! . Don’t stab me tonight and we gochy!
Can you stop
You’re not being productive at all and just repeating the same things and confbiasing reads
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
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The thing is It isnt What You First Said . You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points " The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth . How ? Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ? Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "
If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
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Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.
The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.
IMO the only way Chemist is Mafia is if Ejji Flips Serial Killer.
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
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The thing is It isnt What You First Said . You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points " The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth . How ? Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ? Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "
If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
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Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.
The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.
So if he didn’t do that with an LHF player, why would he do it on an arguably stronger one?
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
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The thing is It isnt What You First Said . You Said that " If Dash want to Scumread me , he need to refute my points " The thing is with that Logic , nobody can read sb based on sth . How ? Flake is townreading You based on that slip and afterward , right ? Okay , Let's wrote , " If Flake want to TR You , they need to refute Dash's point/ points which Show You may be scum . "
If You Gave A reaction Like " Dash , If You aren't listening me and my points , You are just tunneling without thinking I am town , and your scumread is just baseless " , Okay , but This reaction is just Scummy IMO .
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Okay, Chemist, I'll grant you that scum theaters often don't involve a mafia member missing one of the posts of another person.
The only thing bothering me about clearing you of Mafia completely, though, is that I know how much Uzay likes to bus his Mafia team, and he didn't do that with cupcake at all.
IMO the only way Chemist is Mafia is if Ejji Flips Serial Killer.
Biggest point of the VCA tells me that Goomba is either the biggest busser in the world, or probably not Mafia, as he was voting Cupcake every time, even before Dash cop claimed.
I would probably bet on Cupcake's wagon having a Mafia trying to deepwolf, though, because with that much notice, I can't see no one in the Mafia trying to vote to blend in, so if I kick out Goomba, I'm left looking at Tifos and Chemist.
On the other hand, though, if tifos/Uzay/cupcake is the Mafia team, they are the laziest and least influencing Mafia that we've probably ever had on this site. And not that I can blame Uzay too much for that, since it looks like he tried everything he could to sway our opinions and run us around in circles as opposed to the other two, I just think Scum are probably better than that particular Mafia team based on the night kills so far.
It's pretty much the only reason why I can picture Chemist or his equal still being in the Mafia unless my bus theory on D2 of Mafia is wrong.
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Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.
I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.
"Don't lie this is all so you could post Ace Attorney gifs and have it be relevant isn't it." ~Sarah Thorpe
Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.
I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.
Dash was a claimed cop
Also for the record Uzay nightkilled the cop N1 in VFM43 (I think) so I’m not sure why you don’t believe he could do it
Night Kills hitting Town so far are Dash, Flake, Eragon, and Phone. Two of the flips are PRs, and the other two were considered to be fairly strong citizens. No cross-kills. Assuming the Vig didn't shoot any of these, I'm not sure if Uzay would be enough as the solo kingpin of the Mafia to pull off all of this.
I guess I should just start ISOing him though, I guess.
Dash was a claimed cop
Also for the record Uzay nightkilled the cop N1 in VFM43 (I think) so I’m not sure why you don’t believe he could do it
I didn't know about the latter, and I still thought the other three in face of the former were good kills, but fair.
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Chemist1422 wrote:Uzay do you think there are wolves on cupcake?
Aggreeing with Flake here . 1 or none But not aggreeing with clearing protoo and grumby With saying " Only Ejji can be scum there "
This post immediately stands out, but if I try cutting into it then I'm just going to end up WIFOMing. I think it does at least prove Mafia having planned around the lynch a bit.
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GrumpyGoomba wrote:Oof I am mafia too now? I would like to hear your reasoning as to why proto/ejj are town. Ejj I can somewhat see now but proto has nothing going for him imo.
proto is very likely to be town here by meta, i made an argument for him being town at some point
ejji is likely town for a reason which i'd rather not state yet
I can say town . Because as I understand You are again anglereading . When I am trusting my metaread on that . And I know your angleread is NAI , but You are lucky it goes Same place .
defense of ejj from Uzay I think this is more clearing than it is incriminating, though iirc he wasn't being as harshly SRed by Flake and others yet.
My Pool is Either 1( Goomba , protoo ) , 1 ( Qva , Chem , Rick ) Or 2 ( Qva , Chem , Rick , Zucker , tfios}
About tfios , there are posts Like #3169181 or #3169935I Dont Like , so not aggreeing on tfios being lock-town with Flake .
This is very hard to sort out. He doesn't really explain why he splits the scenarios like this, so it's hard to say what he's trying to set up here.
I think he's responding to this post? From Flake. Still doesn't really make sense on reread though, because he doesn't respond to Flake on a point by point basis, and the language barrier here only makes it harder.
UzayAltay wrote:Seems unlikely. They could be able to Do that But What Will be their benefit ? Only benefit is W!Flake now being able to TR Chem freely But they could Do that at some other Ways So it seems hard
(about Flake and Chemist being MvM during the slip exchange)
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Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case
I'm trying, okay?
You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.
Wait What This is completely wrong . If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip Than This is LAMIST Which is FoS Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI ) Happily take The cred from Flake But refusing SRs Actually This deserves A vote But I Will Wait for your explanation
(I don't think I ever saw Chemist respond to this post for the record)
Chemist did respond to this one though:
Chemist1422 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:chemist is probably town for not crumbling there
i think he would have if he genuinely faked the slip
Or The scum Which didnt kill Eragon From your Logic .
But I Dont think Chem's slip was AI I know , You was thinking "Chem wouldnt give that reactions as scum "
But , If he planned The slip , He can plan How can he defend after slip, too So I Dont think Chem's posts at there are even AI Chem can be everything with that slip IMO
This is probably the most logical post that has been made all day
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I feel like the more I try to understand this exchange as it went down, the more horribly confused I'm going to keep getting. The more I reread Uzay's ISO the more frustrated I get for not really being here, because the exchanges between him and Flake were so obviously Town v Mafia that I'm stunned that no one but Flake (and the Vig) really caught onto this.
I have to walk out for a bit, but here's my current lynch priority barring the Vig and the like, and I'll expand more when I come back: