VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri May 17, 2019 7:58 am

Flake wrote:
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Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Crimson | 8 | Qvaril, Dash2, Uzayaltay, Flake, Chemist1422, Zucker, Tfoisforevah, Rickdaily12 , ;
Cupcakej2 |3 | Grumpygoomba, Ejjinami, Protozigg ;
Dash2 | 1 | Eragon1329 ;
Uzayaltay | 1 | Cupcakej2 ;
Chemist | 1 | , Crimson97,


At least one scum had to have been on Crimson's wagon. I'm inclined to say there were probably 2 here.

I didn't realize tfios ended up on the Crimson wagon, move them down a tier

I think there's at least one wolf not voting just because the crimson wagon is literally everyone in my top three tiers, and I doubt wolves doubled down on cupcake

I think this is true unless Rick is exactly a wolf

only person not voting is Phone though

who is flipped town

Okay I miscounted

It’s probably just cupcake/Rick/ejji at this point
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:00 am

By deepwolfing I mean mafia!ejji made a case on cupcake and sticked to voting them eod

which could imply they are mafia trying to distance from cupcake by making a case against them, anticipating cupcake likely to die soon

were cupcake to flip mafia it is likely that ejji would be considered town for pushing their lynch
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:03 am

Flake wrote:By deepwolfing I mean mafia!ejji made a case on cupcake and sticked to voting them eod

which could imply they are mafia trying to distance from cupcake by making a case against them, anticipating cupcake likely to die soon

were cupcake to flip mafia it is likely that ejji would be considered town for pushing their lynch

(same possibility applies for goomba and proto, but neither of them really made a sufficient case on him to the extent that cupcake did if i remember rightly, so less likely; also i would expect mafia!goomba or mafia!proto to not vote cupcake to distance)
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:03 am

Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:By deepwolfing I mean mafia!ejji made a case on cupcake and sticked to voting them eod

which could imply they are mafia trying to distance from cupcake by making a case against them, anticipating cupcake likely to die soon

were cupcake to flip mafia it is likely that ejji would be considered town for pushing their lynch

(same possibility applies for goomba and proto, but neither of them really made a sufficient case on cupcake to the extent that ejji did if i remember rightly, so less likely; also i would expect mafia!goomba or mafia!proto to not vote cupcake to distance)

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FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:05 am

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:07 am

I was about to ask how were you sure of a mafia on cupcake but you ninja'd me
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:08 am

I follow you on ejji, and if there's mafia on cupcake it's definetely them, but if bussing is expected behavior mafia could just, like, not do it
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:10 am

Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson


Everyone that hasn't flipped was on crimson or cupcake though
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:10 am

Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:11 am

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson


Everyone that hasn't flipped was on crimson or cupcake though

cupcake wasn't on crimson or cupcake
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:12 am

i think uzay is always mafia tbh

or at least scum
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:12 am

Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}


Why uzay?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:12 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson


Everyone that hasn't flipped was on crimson or cupcake though

cupcake wasn't on crimson or cupcake


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:13 am

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson


Everyone that hasn't flipped was on crimson or cupcake though

cupcake wasn't on crimson or cupcake


Yeah but they're red according to dash


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:14 am

I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:15 am

Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}


Why uzay?

PoE on crimson's wagon
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Qvapil » Fri May 17, 2019 8:18 am

I'm going to lose signal now, I'll be back later
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:20 am

Qvapil wrote:I know you're townreading chemist, but why not tfios?

i said stuff about tfios at some point in my iso

that stuff still holds, like the opening read and stuff

also i doubt mafia!tfios pushes the idea that killing mafia first over SK is a good idea

also probs mafia!tfios doesn't say this knowing cupcake is mafia:

"IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either"

Since it'd run the risk of making her look bad after crimson green flip
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:20 am

Qvapil wrote:I'm going to lose signal now, I'll be back later

ok cya l8r
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Fri May 17, 2019 8:20 am

Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}


Why uzay?

PoE on crimson's wagon

Walk me through why Uzay and not Rick
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:24 am

Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Flake wrote:
Flake wrote:1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake), 1 mafia on cupcake and 1 on crimson would make sense

or

1 mafia not on either crimson or cupcake (which would be cupcake) and 2 mafia on crimson

if it's the former, the mafia on cupcake is probably always ejji, and the 3rd mafia is probably Uzay, giving {cupcake, uzay, ejji}

if it's the latter, i think it's probably {cupcake, uzay, rick/qva}


Why uzay?

PoE on crimson's wagon

Walk me through why Uzay and not Rick

rick is likely town for his emotional reaction with regards to my case on the possibility of rick and ejji being on mafia team
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 8:25 am

uzay just has like

nothing going for him

and he's fully within the realm of his scum meta
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 8:59 am

Fuck, I’m really unsure if I’ll be able to play normally here ):
I’m usually unable to read and respond to more than 10 pages a day and there are already 20 new ones now…
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 am

Catchup
Spoiler:
Flake wrote:tfios (town lean):
funnily enough tfios i believe has never opened as scum claiming a town role, but she does it fairly frequently as town and has then flipped town every time

additionally, her scum entrances usually are more an awkward attempt at being happy-go-lucky and doesn't claim (e.g in VFM46, SFM56, VFM47), but as town she just doesn't give as much of a shit and claim sometimes because lol (VFM48, 17F)

i'm actually kind of scared by how accurate this read probably is LOL

I find it doubtful that you actually believe it
I agree with the read on Zeth though

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Well that is exactly what I wanted to say. Scum are gonna keep me alive instead of killing me at night to aim for a mislynch. Exactly the reason why I abandoned that plan.

Tbh that sounds like bullshit as well

Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:AtE = Attack through Empathy. Basically when you try to use emotion to gain towncred

It’s actually Appeal to Emotion but same idea

I’m okay with going for Proto today

Said before Proto said anything contributive
Prob not SvS

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Crimson97 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:Uzay is acting really townie rn btw

Not really.


Crimson and Uzay aren't the same alignment if he flips scum


That’s wrong.
Your not in the same Alignment.
Lol dash do you think I’m fuckin stupid or something?
Your obviously going to kill me after Crimson is lynched then claim is Uzay when I already stated previously it was you.
LOOOOOOLLL Your Bad!

What do you think was actually wrong with that post?

Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:By gamestate I'd go crimson over cupcake just because most of the lownull people are going after cupcake over crimson

Cupcake wagon seems more wolf-driven


Also the soft part of my headphones fell off so I'm gonna spend the next 20 minutes trying to fix that bye

what

i completely disagree

Goomba and tfios are both low nulls and pushing on cupcake

I don't like them on the wagon, I don't like people like them ignoring crimson

Tfio said she’s ok with either Cup or Crims, so tbh I don’t understand chemist’s reasoning here.
I don’t like his progression on crimson anyway. He seems to have been SRing him only because of SvS interactions with tfios (based on tfios’s reads), so I find it funny that he didn’t push tfios instead.

Chemist1422 wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:I’m okay with either a cupcake Lynch or a crimson lynch, proto zigg should never be lynched at this point in this case since their slot is unreadable at the moment due to inactivity , hopefully a more active player replaces in

As to crimson and cupcake, they have both been actively inactive, crimson moreso than cupcake, by posting barely anything helpful from a townie perspective. IMO, crimson is doing this more than cupcake, but cupcake appears to be the top wagon , so like I said I’m fine with either

Like look at this

Tfios's only reason for considering cupcake is inactivity and them being top wagon

This is shade
And tfio said the exact same thing about crimson and cup, so why exactly did you think their read on cup was worse than on crimson?
The stance makes absolutely no sense to me.

Flake wrote:goomba wim seems way too high to be coming from a new scum player imo

Have they not played scum before?
And what do you mean by “high”?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Flake » Fri May 17, 2019 9:00 am

oof ejji is here
FM Record: 11 - 4
Spoiler: 16C: Arsonist - Win (Lived)
VFM37: Citizen - Loss (Lynched D2)
16E: Veteran - Loss (Endgamed)
SFM47: Parity Cop - Win (Lived)
17D: Mafia Vig - Win (Died N2)
VFM46: Goon - Win (Lived)
17F: Bodyguard - Win (Lived)
VFM48: Goon - Win (Lived, Replaced in N5)
VFM49: Citizen - Loss (Died N2)
SFM58: Doctor-esque - Win (Lived)
VFM50: Goon - Win (Lived)
18B: Citizen - Win (Lived)
18C: Godfather - Win (Lived)
VFM52: Citizen - Win (Died N1)
SFM60: Citizen - Loss (Endgamed, Replaced in D4)
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