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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:42 am
by Flake
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:Town Pool: {Me, Chem, Tfios, Dash2, Zucker, Protozigg, Grumpy}

PoE Pool: {Uzay, Ejji, Rick, Qva, Cupcake}

Can You explain bolded ones ?
Actually due below being PoE Pool , just above

Proto because as Town their demeanor is never serious and always reckless & overconfident

As scum he plays recklessly and with overconfidence normally, but sometimes he will have bursts of being normal and serious where he attempts to radiate town incentive, see 17F

Seeing as it's the former I don't think he's scum here

Grumpy I now moved to PoE pool, though I'm unsure on them, initially I thought their reads would not come from Mafia but I can see it now, and I am also put off by their overdefense of themselves and them centralising their thought processes around SK, but as the same time I don't think they'd be reckless enough to say some of the things they're saying if they are scum

For me you and Qva are near impossible to read; neither of you have considerable town incentive as compared to what you'd have as scum, but neither of you are lacking it either, it's just a case of both of you being less town than most other players for me. Like neither of you are playing outside the realm of your scum meta imo.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:44 am
by UzayAltay
Dash2 wrote:Jesus christ you know it's bad when Zucker starts making more sense than Flake. I need a sanity check

- ( not aggreeing )

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:45 am
by UzayAltay
Chemist1422 wrote:Dash, to be fair, you haven't responded to any of my explanations and are just shading Flake for defending me.

[x] It is not A shade.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:47 am
by Flake
Like forcibly I think it's likely at least one of you (Uzay) and Qva are scum. But if 1, I have no idea which it'd be, probably I'd guess you for maybe being less aggressive than you normally would be as town

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:49 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:someone remind me why literally everyone is tring ejji

they've done literally nothing that has actually improved the gamestate for town the entire game

???
Cant see that .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:52 am
by Flake
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:someone remind me why literally everyone is tring ejji

they've done literally nothing that has actually improved the gamestate for town the entire game

???
Cant see that .

well

no one else is sring them i'm pretty sure

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:52 am
by UzayAltay
Chemist1422 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:{Chemist, Zucker, Qva}
{Dash, tfios, Flake}
{Uzay, ejji}
{Rick, cupcake}
{Goomba, Proto}

You're better than having Qva > Me & Dash

From your PoV you should basically know I'm town at this point, and Dash is blatant town from his early game slip

The rest is acceptable from you but still bad

Wait
What Did I missed ?

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:53 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:{Chemist, Zucker, Qva}
{Dash, tfios, Flake}
{Uzay, ejji}
{Rick, cupcake}
{Goomba, Proto}

You're better than having Qva > Me & Dash

From your PoV you should basically know I'm town at this point, and Dash is blatant town from his early game slip

The rest is acceptable from you but still bad
[/quote]
Wait
What Did I missed ?


(Ebwop)

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 3:54 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:{Chemist, Zucker, Qva}
{Dash, tfios, Flake}
{Uzay, ejji}
{Rick, cupcake}
{Goomba, Proto}

You're better than having Qva > Me & Dash

From your PoV you should basically know I'm town at this point, and Dash is blatant town from his early game slip

The rest is acceptable from you but still bad

Wait
What Did I missed ?


(Ebwop)
(Mobile Sucks)

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:01 am
by UzayAltay
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.

Wait What This is completely wrong .
If You are Okay with Flake TR ing You with your slip
But not aggreeing with Dash SR ing You with your flip
Than This is LAMIST
Which is FoS
Due You not keeping your original opinion ( Slip was NAI )
Happily take The cred from Flake
But refusing SRs
Actually This deserves A vote
But I Will Wait for your explanation

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:05 am
by UzayAltay
Dash2 wrote:Now, the fact that you suddenly attacked me for calling you out FURTHER lets me know you know you're in the wrong, and are trying to shade me over it


:Facepalm:

TBH I Will automaticly vote anyone using "shade" wrong
Yes I Will Do that
SHADİNG = İMPLYİNG SB İS SCUM DUE STH WITHOUT ACTUALLY SCUMREADİNG THEM OR ATTACKİNG THEM

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:07 am
by UzayAltay
Spoiler:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist you're seriously not helping your case

I'm trying, okay?

You're saying I faked the slip knowingly and actually slipped because I knew it would be fake, but I explained what actually happened. If you're not refuting that you can't push me based on the slip.


Can we push on you based on the way you and flake communicated to each other? ^_^

If you think we're wolves because of it

Though you have to get specific evidence with actual explanations
Dash2 wrote:Let me show you basic logic 101

If you're town you don't acknowledge that you slipped at all. The fact that you claimed you knew the slip was there and left it does not tell me the slip was accidental.

I knew the possiblity for a slip was there when I made the post

I forgot it was there when I posted

I acknowledged it because I looked to see what Flake was talking about and remembered when I saw it
Dash2 wrote:Now, the fact that you suddenly attacked me for calling you out FURTHER lets me know you know you're in the wrong, and are trying to shade me over it

I didn't even attack you

I said you haven't responded to my defense, which you haven't. And calling someone "scum or dumb" is shade.


No, it is not shade
If they stated which one they are believing
Which they Did as I remember

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:09 am
by UzayAltay
Dash2 wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Now, the fact that you suddenly attacked me for calling you out FURTHER lets me know you know you're in the wrong, and are trying to shade me over it


:Facepalm:

TBH I Will automaticly vote anyone using "shade" wrong
Yes I Will Do that
SHADİNG = İMPLYİNG SB İS SCUM DUE STH WITHOUT ACTUALLY SCUMREADİNG THEM OR ATTACKİNG THEM

Yes I was using it correctly thank you

" They Attacked and shaded me over X "
Shade : implying sb is scum without attacking
So , If You used shade True , You used attack wrong :?
Which is What I am assuming from now .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:09 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:this game is becoming a clusterfuck

I Dont know What that means
But it is probably right

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:12 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Chemist no town ever acts this way and you know that

If he knew that then why would scum!chemist admit to it

It's literally just WIFOM at this point

The better take is to look at Chemist's demeanour throughout my aggressiveness; do you think that comes from Scum!Chemist? Because I don't

-It is WIFOM
-Due it being WIFOM , Chemist is town Because scum wont make it
:Facepalm:

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:14 am
by UzayAltay
Spoiler:
Zucker wrote:
Flake wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
0verki11 wrote:Sorry about the wait
Phone0lx has been killed, he was Doctor
Eragon1239 has been killed, he was Citizen
48 hours glgl.

By the way both of these are shit kill options for scum, so either the Vig was one of them or scum has bad sense of choices

i mean then where did one of the scum kills go, you think someone was attacked & healed?

eragon wouldn't be bad for mafia

phone i do not get at all if mafia killed them

makes sense if sk tried to kill mafia!phone

probs maf killed era and sk killed phone i'm guessing

but yeah both kills were good for my poe so

but maybe that suggests my poe isn't great, idk

discussion here is straight up lamist
zero points speculating this without kill credits and with the switches to consider

It's not lamist, it's just me making points from my PoV, is that not acceptable??

And why would I consider switches here, I literally didn't need to at all, first point implies a possibility occurred so switches isn't relevant here, rest of the points are takes regarding kills for which I wouldn't need to mention switches at all

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:while also pretending to not know that ejj and i are close friends when we openly pair together on threads where i play
is actually pissing me off

show me evidence

if you dont know this
you have zero fucking business meta reading me and speculating what conversations ejj and i shouldnt be having
on this you can straight up piss off

Uh

am I missing something or am i literally being vilified for speculating something that is potentially helpful to the game?

sorry if you're offended by that but i literally don't understand why you would be

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:no
nuh uh
your "slip" exchange with flake felt forced and fake as fuck

if you think the slip exchange is fake you are stupid

scum never orchestrates something as intricate as that

because mafia never do a scum theater
right

They do

But you're missing my point entirely

If you'd somewhat analysed what went down you would know that it is too intricate to ever be faked by literally anyone on this site


Flake realize he mess up
Flake push Rick
Flake regret situation with Chemist
Flake yelling at Chemist in Mafia Chat.

Congratulations .
You now win " WOtMed from every Game that Dash Hosts " award .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:18 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:games like this where i want to punch my self in the face are the best games

[x]No .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:21 am
by UzayAltay
Zucker wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Zucker wrote:No need to try and recover from your actions.
You guys both admitted to be Mafia and Proto might also be as well.
It’s ok if you lose! ^_^
Just means you no deserve win!

This is the most condescending post to the point where I want to self-vote just to shut you up

Stop it. This kind of attitude makes me really not want to play the game.

Other than this, it's objectively anti-town behavior. You're refusing to re-evaluate or even consider the fact that your scumreads might be town. You're putting town in a situation where they're completely unable to convince you that they're town which leads to mislynches.

If you're town here, stop and think and read. If you refuse to do any of those, you're basically throwing here because your behavior is anti-town and you refuse to let people put in effort to convince you they're town. Even if they were to anyway, you're making it an unpleasant gamestate so they wouldn't want to.


Unless some magical Town Play happens and Chemist claims Vigilante or something.
I’m pretty confident on the Flake/Chemist/Proto Scum Team.

I wish I shouldn't say to You that You need to find All scum instead one .
Okay , it is A step , but saying Same thing 973891738927182929179202018177292927178229 times make You very annoying that regardless of your being right or wrong , You wont be listened .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:26 am
by UzayAltay
GrumpyGoomba wrote:Okay I have finally caught up with the thread. Did a cop check on me succeed? If not then don't claim. See people think that I am the sk. If I was the sk then :-
1. I would be immune to mafia kills, that would make it so that cop can find me. Why would I want that to happen to me actively?
2. I would be immune to vig/cop. That would make it so that I am literally announcing to the mafia that I am not immune to them by wanting a cop check on me, making it so that maf can eliminate me anytime they want.

How could what I am doing be even remotely beneficial to me if i were the SK?

As for me being mafia, I don't really know people would come to that conclusion. Who would I even be in a scum team with?

:Facepalm:
Can sb explain The Logic at there to me ?
Like it seems to me he tried to prove they are not SK on A ???? way ?
I cant set up Logic here .

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:35 am
by Flake
i have a few reasons for thinking ejji is scum

early game comments on SK seem incredibly dubious with their comments on SK, and let's just say I also have an angleshot also alluding to the idea that they are SK or at least scum

they don't really seem to ever try to progress the game themselves; almost all their posts where "attempted progression" is made it's just asking people to elaborate on things constantly

in their town games they seem far more blunt and sarcastic, and their progression seems more self-made, things like:

"Haha do you think I care?
I'll tell you that I do not. if you're not progressing the game and if I think you're scummy, I will get rid of you regardless how shitty my arguments are
Besides, I do think that you're scummy and saying that "you're always like that" is not a convincing argument"

"Hey, wanna vote me again?"

"why aren't you SRing me? If I understood it correctly, you didn't like my previous posts"

"Sigh, I think you're just overthinking it. If you've ever played with scorpio, you should know that he's not the "thinker" type (no offense)"

"Tbh if you think the doc claim is bad, you suck at tone-reading"

are some notable posts which align with their town meta

generally their play just seems very wishy-washy here and very much aligns with what they'd do as scum

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:37 am
by Flake
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:this game is becoming a clusterfuck

I Dont know What that means
But it is probably right

LOL

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:39 am
by UzayAltay
Spoiler:
Dash2 wrote:Qva/Chemist/cupcake is where I'm standing at rn

Can see Chem/cupcake , but Qva seems A bit off . Okay , they have interaction with cupcake , but Did You looked Qva/Chem interaction ? I am only remembering
Chemist1422 wrote:I'm pretty sure Dash is town just from the amount of people that are agreeing with what they say, feels like there are mafia trying to pocket Dash there

Uzay is null, ejji is null, both might change with more flips

I'm townreading Flake for confbias reasons, I don't think he goes so far out of his way to defend town!me as scum

Zucker probably town by meta+townslip

Cupcake is wolfy but not in their wolf meta, so not really sure

Tfios and Proto I already touched on

Rick I already mentioned

Goomba is wolfy in a weird way from their D1 AtE and defensiveness

Qva is towny because they're actually taking stances and pushing stuff unlike how they did when they were scum

{Chemist, Zucker, Qva}
{Dash, tfios, Flake}
{Uzay, ejji}
{Rick, cupcake}
{Goomba, Proto}

This ,Maybe it is possible to find More with ISO ing but it is early for speak I think.

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:39 am
by Flake
nvm my angleshot is bad

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:41 am
by Flake
wait nvm the angleshot could be true

i'll just shut up now

Re: VFM 49: Day 1

PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2019 4:48 am
by UzayAltay
Flake wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:this game is becoming a clusterfuck

I Dont know What that means
But it is probably right

LOL

Flake , If angleshoot is about that post
I can understand it is A bad thing due Last 4 letters
But not knowing exact meaning
Also Will go at 12 minutes