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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:12 pm

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You do realize you always do this, right?

honestly…. yeah xd
I thought that might be the case back when hosting the first purgatory… The 2’nd one kinda confirmed it...
There’s a chance our play styles might tend to clash normally and I THINK I might have a tendency to SR you regardless of alignment, but I have no idea how to read you otherwise...
If you're town, sorry for that :/ idk if I can do anything about that and tbh I'm not entirely convinced that I should...
You’ll prob just have to deal with it at least till I actually figure out if I should be pushing you or not

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ProtoZigg wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Proto any chance you're actually going to explain your reads?


no need too
they explain themselves

Cupcake screams scum
Phone screams scum
dont make me waste my time my friend
I know you're town so it shouldnt matter to you right? haha exactly.


I want your help to form reads of my own. That's why I asked


wrong answer.

This is just unfairly unreasonable this close to EoD.

Probably the most pro-town post by far of his. and at least he explains the Phone read since it confused us most, but I still think it runs contrary to the Phone I've seen in games like Purgatory 2. I kinda disagree with his premise of Town!Phone right off the bat too. Phone in that game, as I remember, still flew off the handle making wild moves without caring too much about the consequences and rushed to conclusions fairly quickly. There are some fair points against Phone otherwise, though.

ProtoZigg wrote:tria- woops... Protozigg reads

TOWN: Dash2, Flake
NULL: everyone else
SCUMTEAM: Qva, Cupcake, Phone, Goomba <-cus that guy is flipping annoying

Is Qva Scum to you purely because he tried advocating against lynching cupcake? Do you have any idea how regularly I defend scum by accident? How did Qva go from "lock town" to "scum" this quickly to you just based on that?

ProtoZigg wrote:
Zucker wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Proto any chance you're actually going to explain your reads?


no need too
they explain themselves

Cupcake screams scum
Phone screams scum
dont make me waste my time my friend
I know you're town so it shouldnt matter to you right? haha exactly.


I really don’t like this. Your entire ISO Screams Scum.
I also feel as if you and Chemist are both Mafia.
I don’t think I’m wrong about Dash but if I am then Dash just needs to Meta more people TBH and not act so scum readable.

/Vote Proto


Delusion

Not MvM, I don't see Zucker staging this out of nothing all game.

Dash2 wrote:I still think there's hardly anything to go off of with Crimson at the moment

In complete fairness, he was more like this back during 17E, he blended in with the wall just like he did now. He was also a Double for most of that game, so... :?

Chemist1422 wrote:I think the team is something like tfios/Crimson/Goomba

I don't see Goomba being Mafia based on admission of trying to magnet the Cop... I think

I think Tfios/Crimson/X is a Mafia team if and only if Mafia doesn't really care all that much about influencing the Town all that much this game.

I've basically been here for the rest of this up until now.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:18 pm

I also think that Cupcake is legit playing the VI card about as hard as Zucker and I want to kill him alone for that after his re-entry into the thread. He doesn't seem to care at all that people were basically threatening to lynch him if he doesn't get his act together, he's pretty much fwog but even worse.

Does anyone actually believe that cupcake never checked his role card, by the way? Aren't you required to do that before being force replaced?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:22 pm

Lynch pool for me now is probably Goomba > cupcake > Proto > Crimson

/vote GrumpyGoomba

Still really liking the Cop-SK tinfoil right now.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 5:24 pm

Meh.

The Crimson wagon looks more pure to me than the cupcake wagon.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:10 pm

Flake walk me through Eragon

I think he's playing the same way he did in VFM45
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:13 pm

Flake wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:Flake walk me through Eragon

I think he's playing the same way he did in VFM45

how so?

Wallposts read the same, combining mechanics talk and reads in a natural way
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:14 pm

Dash2 wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:Lynch pool for me now is probably Goomba > cupcake > Proto > Crimson

/vote GrumpyGoomba

Still really liking the Cop-SK tinfoil right now.

Didn't you say you agreed with ny tinfoil that Goomba is SK? I thought you said you didn't want to lynch the SK first

Chemist and Qvapil changed my mind, and their arguments are fairly compelling. If we can lynch SK, we want to do it before they start stabbing any Town members, otherwise after we take a few hits we're probably better off keeping them alive until Mafia start losing some of their own.

That, and I'm really struggling to guess the scum in cupcake/Proto/Crimson and I find your argument of him being SK really compelling.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:17 pm

Flake, can you explain your read of ejj to me?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:22 pm

Dash2 wrote:Rick you realize if SK dies early 2/3 of our power roles will be unusable

Yes, but then it's just a straight forward 11v3 where it's pretty much goons vs cits, plus a vig probably. Dash, I made this argument earlier, I'm aware of the implications.

If we can remove SK now, then we don't need to worry about cross-killing Scum since their KP has been reduced to 1/night and each Mafia switch is only a 3-use. Once we reach 8v3v1, though, odds are probably better off focusing purely on Mafia, even though Mafia is always a solid lynch either way.

Any Town mislynch this game is going to hurt us more than usual as well, so there's also that.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:34 pm

Dash2 wrote:I really want to agree with you but I'm paranoid that I'm wrong here over a tinfoil

Yep. <_<

I want to lynch cupcake over Crimson but I'm TRing almost everyone on the Crimson wagon and maybe only liking Ejj on the cupcake wagon.

I really don't like my options right now.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:51 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:54 pm

0ver you missed my vote on tfios
mist ~ she/her

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Tue May 14, 2019 6:57 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:ver you missed my vote on tfios

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:06 pm

0verki11 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:ver you missed my vote on tfios

Fixed

My vote on Goomba was missed as well.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:08 pm

Dash2 wrote:Rick also voted for goomba

oh ok

Dash, while I have you, what are your thoughts about Flake's breakdown of reads? Him in particular since he broke down what type of scum he was predicting (though how he came up with some of them is a bit huh)

Chemist have you also given any reads as well?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:13 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:I'm solidly townreading Eragon for combining mechanic talk with actually giving reads unprompted, I think as scum he'd avoid giving reads more

I think cupcake's posts are bad and I want to see them respond to pressure

I think Zucker is town by meta exclusively if it's Seth

Crimson is slightly towny by tone but I want to see more from them

Phone is genuinely solving and not self-aware at all, which is both townie and an improvement over his recent games

These were my reads earlier

I think Tfios is a wolf now for their post about cupcake and crimson, I don't like Goomba's AtE, and Proto's popin was weirdly timed
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:17 pm

Can you explain what you think Seth's scum meta would be for FM?

It would save me and Ejj a lot of grief I think.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:22 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:Can you explain what you think Seth's scum meta would be for FM?

It would save me and Ejj a lot of grief I think.

My guess would be they'd be more actively pushing an agenda instead of tunneling and they'd be overdefensive as well
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Tue May 14, 2019 7:45 pm

Dash2 wrote:I already responded to Flake's reads

Flake wrote:Green Name = Town Prediction
Gray Name = Main PoE Pool

First number next to name given in Green is Town equity number, 10 meaning strongest Town equity, 0 meaning least Town equity
Second number next to name given in Red is Mafia equity number, 10 meaning strongest Mafia equity, 0 meaning least Mafia equity
Third number next to name given in Blue is SK equity number, 10 meaning strongest SK equity, 0 meaning least SK equity

Equity number of 5 always means approximately equal to the natural probability that they'd flip the alignment (11/15, 3/15, 1/15 for Town, Mafia, SK respectively)

UzayAltay (6, 4, 5)
Crimson97 (3, 7, 6)
Chemist1422 (6, 4, 5)
tfiosforevah (6, 4, 4)
cupcakeaj2 (7, 2, 5)
Dash2 (9, 2, 2)
Eragon1329 (5, 5, 5)
Rickdaily12 (4, 6, 4)
Qvapil (6, 4, 4)
GrumpyGoomba (5, 3, 6)
Zucker (8, 2, 4)
Flake (10, 0, 0)
Phone0Ix (5, 5, 4)
ProtoZigg (7, 4, 3)
ejjinami (5, 4, 6)

This one, Dash?

I found his Ejj read out of the blue and I do wonder about the SK guesses in particular.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:04 pm

ill probably be around most of the time until EoD

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:06 pm

Dash2 wrote:
Eragon1329 wrote:ill probably be around most of the time until EoD

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Please do something productive during this time



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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:08 pm

page 27-29

conclusion: This setup has the big gae
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:13 pm

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Qvapil wrote:
UzayAltay wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Crimson here's the thing though. If SK dies D1 Mafia has no reason to not use the cop and doc switches, and unless they want to game throw there's no reason for all of them to use the switches at once

I'm not crimson

Shut you know what I meant

Still doesn't change the fact that we're in a townsided mountainous


Mountainous?

Mountainous = town not having ( or cant using ) any PRs


Is a 10v3 mountainous bad odds?


no

its actually quite standard

so its good balance if we lynch SK today
i made a post somewhere about this

ejjinami wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
tfiosforevah wrote:You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol

I wish tfios didn't approach every game exactly like this.
sigh.gif

this feels like reverse-shade… if it even makes sense

Rickdaily12 wrote:I STILL don't like his acknowledge to Dash at the very end that his posting quality was bad..

Why?



so uhh
rick is shading himself
what



ProtoZigg wrote:
Qvapil wrote:Proto any chance you're actually going to explain your reads?


no need too
they explain themselves

Cupcake screams scum
Phone screams scum
dont make me waste my time my friend
I know you're town so it shouldnt matter to you right? haha exactly.


no

its not a waste of time
and town does think it matters

also

"i know"

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:15 pm

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GrumpyGoomba wrote:Sigh. This is worse than the frog guy from that other game.


tfw

ProtoZigg wrote:
Flake wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:
Flake wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:
Flake wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:
Flake wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:Flake is as unreadable as always so just leave off on him

What's our current wagons and most likely lynches??

probably crimson and cupcake gets lynched since people avoiding interactions are more likely to be scum in this gamestate


Your comments about VFM 48 are BS btw
Cupcake played this exact way there as well and he ended up flipping scum so if there was ever a meta read that'd be it

you're quoting the wrong person buddy


You're not pro Cupcake?
then who is pro cupcake?

no?

qva was the one who presented the argument you're arguing against


my bad
you're locktown
stay put

you just said i'm unreadable? lol


Man you're right - usually im so consistent with all my reads so it must be real unlike me to do... oh wait


so...


you're outed scum?

ProtoZigg wrote:tria- woops... Protozigg reads

TOWN: Dash2, Flake
NULL: everyone else
SCUMTEAM: Qva, Cupcake, Phone, Goomba <-cus that guy is flipping annoying


what the fuck happened to chemist being lockscum
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Eragon1329 » Tue May 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Spoiler: @rick

the read on goomba is honestly just the fact that they did go through ISO's, that they did organize their thoughts, that they did put effort(that i believe is genuine) into their reads

Its not exactly the same
but in one of the recent NFMs
this dude, Bodhrak
did like, the same thing D1
and was just like, obviously town IMO
even though other people thought they weren't
(yes i was mafia, but it was still a obvious town play that no one else saw)

Zucker wrote:
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Dash2 wrote:ejj wagon cupcake with me :Doge:

sure
/vote cupcake


Cupcake will flip Town so I’ll be ISOing all who vote them. Since I know Dash is scum.


Dash
is like
fucking confirmed town

dude

Zucker wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:Chem is lock town
Qva is lock town


I agree with Qva is Town but Chem isn’t Townie at all IMO.
Though reading your recent posts they seem very scummy.
So your on my Scum list now.


you're posts seem very scummy so you are scum now

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