VFM 49: SK win #rekt

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:40 pm

You know what, screw it, my plan doesn’t work after all… and I might not have a lot of time later, so while I’m confident in being able not to get lynched today, I don’t know if I’ll be able to deal with a CC form a townie player if we end up in LyLo tomorrow.

I hardclaim vig.

I didn’t shoot N1 both because I remember dash asking not to and (mainly) because I didn’t have a lot of time and didn’t manage to sort my reads or even think of shooting before the day started. -_-
N2 I shot Uzay.

Keep Seth away from me


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:43 pm

Swaggin

That takes you solidly out of the PoE
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby tfiosforevah » Mon May 20, 2019 6:44 pm

Still sticking to my vanilla hardclaim, even though I passed it off as a joke in the beginning it was actually true (somehow for like the 5th time in a row)

I do feel as if Seth is sticking to his town meta, so I’m not suspecting him at the moment

My main scum reads at this moment are chemist and Rick

On mobile so I can’t pull a quote wall but will explain myself with in a couple hours once I get my laptop back

/vote rick
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:47 pm

Qvapil wrote:Ejji I why don't you think goomba is the SK? I agree that they're probably not mafia due to their D1 vote but during D2 they were following the thread but not really saying anything. Like, they were there but kinda not there? I can't explain it very well, but I think it's something I'd do as SK. Goomba could you give us some quick reads? Not anything as deep as your D1 post, just some thoughts on who you think could be the last mafia or the SK.

Honestly, they were “there” but “not there” for the entirety of D1 as well, lol. I don’t know how they play normally, but I THINK it might be normal for them.
It’s not like they’re afraid to share their own opinion and they obviously weren’t afraid to interact and heavily criticize 2 “obv” townies (D1-dash, d3-seth), so I think they shouldn’t be SRd for their tone.
I mean, if they aren’t afraid to interact naturally, nothing should stop them from giving reads and SRing people as scum.

The reason I TR them is precisely because of their interactions with dash.
viewtopic.php?f=17&t=99445&p=3173694#p3173694
This ^ is prob my whole read on them. It might look undependable, but I trust it a lot.

Qvapil wrote: Somewhere during D2 Flake was discussing the night kills and said he found it weird he were still alive, then you answered him that you thought Dash should have been a higher priority target compared to phone and eragon. Though I agree with you on that point, is it too deep in the realms of science fiction to assume that you were scum signalling to the other evil faction? To like, coordinate a Dash kill? Or am I too tired.

you’re too tired, lol.
Scum can’t signal to each other, because they don’t know each others’ identities
And they obviously wouldn’t want the other party to know.
Besides, if they wanted to signal D2, the best choice should have been to use Cupcake, since he was outed anyway. So no, they 100% didn’t coordinate and no, I didn’t coordinate with anyone either.

Qvapil wrote: One last thing, I don't think proto/debil is mafia. I pointed this post out yesterday:

Qvapil wrote:
ProtoZigg wrote:/vote cupcake

I disagree


This vote was just after I voted crimson, and I was the first vote there. I think it's unlikely proto is cupcake's buddy here

The timing of the vote is weird for them to be buddies. Proto directly opposed a starting crimson wagon to vote cupcake, and he was townreading me before that point.

I THINK I agree here… the vote means nothing, but the timing and the strength of it was weird
Rn the ones with the most mafia equity are 1. Tfios and 2. ….probably rick :/
But I genuinely believe it should just be tfios

As for SK, actually, idfk…
Qvapil wrote:
Anyway I think chemist is definetely not SK, they could be maf if tfios is town but I haven't read them carefully yet.

Why is chem not SK?
Besides the thing about them not forgetting about Dash’s slip as scum, I think they have quite a bit of SK equity.


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:49 pm

Qvapil wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:oh

Why did no one tell me my math was wrong this entire time

1. it wasn't

and 2. qvap, I saw you mentioning my name in the wall, so I jsut wanted to say that I'll answer later

really gtg


Alright ejj good luck at your exams

Thx :3


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:51 pm

(bump, so that I can ctrl+F it in my iso easily)

viewtopic.php?f=17&t=99445&start=1775#p3174433
gonna read debil’s wall tomorrow
sry, it’s nearly 3AM, so I’m not really in the mood for doing that now


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:51 pm

The read on MM is brilliant though. xD


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:53 pm

Seththeking wrote:Ejji is the best lynch today IMO. They can explain allot with the lynch and it’s very obvious they are not Vigilante.

whoops


I'm tempted to put some kind of gif here
like, a cat that's wagging its butt in front of the screen or sth like that
but that would probably be rude
...and I don't even have a gif like that


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:55 pm

Unrelated to the game, I think chemist’s patience is amazing.
I’m already close to ignoring seth again, even though I haven’t even interacted with him much.


P.Edit:
sorry seth, it's not personal. I just can't deal with your playstyle
and you not answering questions and ignoring all counterarguments is way more irritating than I thought it'd be


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 6:57 pm

Thank you, I'm making as much of an effort as possible

Ejji, did you read my readslist? Do you disagree on any but yourself?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 6:57 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote: If Vig announces who they shoot tonight, and they live, we know that an SK with town immunity got hit last night.

nope, I won’t know if I got blocked by SK with maf-immunity (and hit a random player), or if I just hit them and they were town immune


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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 20, 2019 7:04 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:Thank you, I'm making as much of an effort as possible

Ejji, did you read my readslist? Do you disagree on any but yourself?

just skipped through it
honestly, I don't think grumpy is that scummy
and I don't know Debil's meta, but I wouldn't put them that high unless I confident that they 100% wouldn't be able to write a wall just after replacing in as scum.

can you elaborate on those 2?


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 7:06 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Sigh... I know I am being extremely frustrating to deal with and I hate it. I just didn't know what else to do save claim my role and just come clean since I am town so I should have nothing to hide. Y'all are gonna hate me when flip town and thus I'm ashamed of myself. -_-
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 7:09 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:I have finally skimmed through the happenings of yesterday given my abysmal net rn. It seems like I have made some bad plays and in turn have ended up getting scumread by a majority of the active people in here.

To answer some of the matters addressed about me,
My response on dash replying with a simple no to flake's call for elaboration was not meant as a push at all but a reaction test to see how she would respond. And it seems to have spectacularly backfired on me.

My confession of not having done much wasn't worded right. I meant to say I haven't done as much as I would've liked to have done. I guess I can't use my train trip as an excuse since that would count as angleshooting and I do not intend on doing so as well.

Since I am already getting scumread I guess there goes my idea of claiming a pr to waste the mafia/sk night kill on me down the drain...

I will now go iso dive and have some reads ready shortly. Any questions are welcome.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 7:21 pm

/Vote GrumpyGoomba
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Mon May 20, 2019 9:32 pm

Right now my current reads are these :-
{Me, ejji}
{Rick,Qva}
{Seth}
{Tfios ,chemist ,debil}

Tfios I am fairly certain is the last mafia. And I believe the SK is between Chemist and Debil.

I just can't read seth for what it's worth. His behavior as zucker for the majority of the game is just unreadable, but that isn't enough to clear them off as a possible SK.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby GrumpyGoomba » Mon May 20, 2019 9:32 pm

/Vote Tfios
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 9:49 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:/Vote Tfios


If Tfios is Town.
Ejji should Shoot Chemist.
Almost a 100% Scum Kill.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 9:49 pm

NGL Over needs to step up on his hosting.
It’s Day 3.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Seththeking » Mon May 20, 2019 9:50 pm

He also doesn’t even have event logs! X.X.
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Chemist1422 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:55 pm

Seththeking wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:/Vote Tfios


If Tfios is Town.
Ejji should Shoot Chemist.
Almost a 100% Scum Kill.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 20, 2019 10:45 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Rickdaily12 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:No one is going to push me because I'm town and everyone can see it

And the bolded is just rude

For the record, Chemist, as of right now, and just putting this out there:

If you don't claim Vig today, you're probably one of my highest Mafia/SK reads on both sides.


Maf I can understand due to their stance on crimson, but why SK? I think they were too "out there" EOD1 to be SK.

Oof what you said about having a not maf+not sk read is harder than it seems.

No, Chemist generally isn't afraid to put himself out there as any alignment. What I said closer to Day 1 about constantly comparing people to meta and interrogating others on that basis has really declined from my viewpoint of Chemist since Day 1. His votes were questionable, the exchange about the slip with Flake was still gross, and I've just expected more from him.

From my briefer ISOs of Uzay and Cupcake, I also think the Mafia have a strong player on their team, and Chemist is one of the first people who come to mind. Uzay is good too, don't get me wrong, but I don't expect him to coach people as often as Chemist.


Well if you say so, I'll give chemist's iso a reread. I intended to do that anyway.
I suppose I've been projecting how I'd play SK to read others, which isn't a very accurate way. How'd you go about looking for an SK?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 20, 2019 10:45 pm

Chemist I don't understand, how does that interaction with uzay clear you from being buddies?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Mon May 20, 2019 11:55 pm

Ejj I won't quote your reply to my wall so as to not clog the thread. I'm not convinced on your goomba read, and the reason I think chem isn't SK is their loud EOD1. I told rick, I thought SK would try to avoid gathering such attention, however rick said he can see chemist doing that. Why do you think chem has a lot of SK equity?
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Re: VFM 49: Day 2

Postby Qvapil » Tue May 21, 2019 12:04 am

Looking at D1 vc with ejj as town, either proto is a god or mafia is in {chem,tfios,rick}. I've excluded goomba, seth and myself. I haven't attempted to read seth but they're probably town. If seth is SK and wins they deserve it tbh.

Tfios is a solid candidate, and I haven't read chem and rick yet. I think chem is the least likely maf in there imo. I'll update once I iso chem, rick and uzay later today.
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