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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby Rickdaily12 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:50 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 1:50 pm

tfiosforevah wrote:Game start at 1 am? Interesting

Anyways as usual I’m totally and definitely citizen XD

Probably not SK
Mafia is still possible, but for some reason I feel the joke shouldn’t come from SK

GrumpyGoomba wrote:Thank you Uzay very cool.

Also we have 3 bloody cit claims already why yall do this...

Tfios’s claim was obviously a joke.
Grumpy's response feels like a lamist overreaction, especially since he was only repeating what uzay said

Btw, this feels like Grumpy “believed the claim”…
If grumpy is maf, Tfio is town?
Meh, I’m not actually confident in it


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:53 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 1:53 pm

GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:reasoning being because entry was wolfy
tfios entries are always similarly wolfy
nai
That's not gonna change my view
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly
Why do you think so? Just curious.
Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.
can you be a bit more specific

No

I am most definitely not liking this response. My eyes are on you dash.

Another lamist post
and again, he just repeated how the other players reacted

Grumpy not voting Dash despite SRing him, feels like scum afraid to act on their reads


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:56 pm

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby 0verki11 » Mon May 13, 2019 1:57 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:@0verkill, can a Mafia member use their switch action as well as perform the factional kill?

I guess the answer will at least settle this much.

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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:01 pm

UzayAltay wrote:
Flake wrote:It doesn't help scum because seth and crimson both know that claiming cit immediately is bad, they're literally just creating WIFOM

:Facepalm:

I really don’t understand that reaction

And I don’t like the conversation between uzay and flake. Flake kept saying that “claims might be fake even if town” and uzay seemed to SR him for “being ok with them”, which would make sense only if uzay didn’t understand flake’s point at all.
And I don’t think that can be the case
The SR feels possibly fake.

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:/vote tfios


Um well, Dash.
That vote seemed like it happened for the sole purpose of bluntly voting someone.
Tfios always claims Citizen Day 1 and they usually are Citizen ^_^.

When I was reading you seemed the most sketchy. *_^

Shitty read: Would Zucker have added the thing about tfio usually being cit if he knew that this time she isn’t? (SvS)
UNLESS THERE WAS A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT BEFORE, I think it might be unlikely.
Zucker doesn’t seem like the type to intentionally write that to manipulate the townies into TRing his teammate…


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:07 pm

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly



Hmm. So because everyone else Is saying so you decided to join in?

Shade

I don’t get Zucker’s focus on dash
Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.


I think Zucker is Town because Zucker isn’t striked as scummy.
What kind of reasoning is that?
Zucker Questioning it.
That is dull reasoning
That seemed very low effort.
^_^

Zucker wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:reasoning being because entry was wolfy

tfios entries are always similarly wolfy

nai

That's not gonna change my view
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.

can you be a bit more specific

No


I don’t like this! ^_^
Too much Refusal!

What are those posts?
The read is crappy and is obviously fake
Either written just for “role(alt)-playing” purposes or just simply scum, but I don’t like it either way


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:12 pm

Qvapil wrote:I was going to scumread zucker because I thought he was trying to go with the flow by opposing dash and townreading uzay. However their last post explaining their uzay read is great imo. They gave new, further reasons as to why uzay could be town, which I doubt scum would take the time to do.

Townie thought-process
I’m not actually that confident in the last post making him town though

Qvapil wrote:
Zucker wrote:Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.


I don't know, I think flake is worse in that manner.

Hahaha, incredibly townie post xD
Qvap doesn’t seem to have a lot of experience and Flake is a good and “loud” player, so him challenging Flake like that feels incredibly town-motivated


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Mon May 13, 2019 2:18 pm

You can take my claim seriously, or not, either way i never know how to enter so the naturalness doesn’t really indicate my alignment lol
Just a college-aged girl who likes playing mafia :D

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VFM42- citizen- loss
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VFM43- citizen- win
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FM17C- caporegime- loss
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:22 pm

Ok, I’m starting to feel more and more that all of zucker’s bullshit is just purposefully overblown “pressure” :/
Zucker wrote:
Qvapil wrote:
Zucker wrote:Now I don’t know who Dash plays.
But I just feel as if he’s trying to fit in but is effort lacks majorly.
It feels really bad and I don’t think their really helping town whatsoever.


I don't know, I think flake is worse in that manner.


At least Flake is giving detail to back up what he’s done. ^_^
Dash Refuses to give Detail
Dash states stuff with no actual context
Dash doesn’t even look like they want to actually help town
Dash should be lynched today, if Flake is still very scummy tomorrow then we can definitely vote them.

Zucker’s confidence in the read makes no sense and it’s incredibly easy to spot
And he seems overly-enthusiastic to be able to push dash, which honestly doesn’t come from (newb?)scum often...
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:22 pm

Dash2 wrote:Rick ejj where are you guys I need my sanity back

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And actually, do I know you? :/


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:24 pm

Dash2 wrote:
Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:I don't like how Zucker's "catchup" are only responses to me and they're all shadethrowing posts

/vote Zucker

Clearly you haven’t played with him before

Yes I realized halfway through catching up this was gonna be another one of those players.

pfffffft, townie xD


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby tfiosforevah » Mon May 13, 2019 2:26 pm

Okay, what about it specifically are you not having?
Just a college-aged girl who likes playing mafia :D

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VFM42- citizen- loss
SFM53- despacito 2.5 (tracker)- win
VFM43- citizen- win
SFM55- vanilla townie (citizen)- win
FM17C- caporegime- loss
VFM44- citizen- loss
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:28 pm

Dash2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:actually, do I know you? :/

probably not but I have seen your name before

how the heck? xD
I rarely even play here
but hey, it's not like I'll complain or anything :Praise:


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:34 pm

UzayAltay wrote:Dash V Zucker , I would just say it Don't seems to me SvS .
I want to see How it went for commenting More on that.

True, fair chances are that they are both town, I think

Dash2 wrote:So some things to note is how Goomba didn't do much until Flake started accusing me, and Zucker supposedly skipped until my response to Flake and only my posts as a catchup. Flake himself I'll be going into once I am on my laptop, but I have reason to believe at least one of these are scum.

Elaborate? I don’t really get it :/

Phone0Ix wrote: Spoiler:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:reasoning being because entry was wolfy

tfios entries are always similarly wolfy

nai

That's not gonna change my view

read openings of tfios in almost any game and you will see similar irrespective of alignment

Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.

can you be a bit more specific

No

/vote Dash2

Lol now that's a bad vote. Dash's intentions to make posts like that feel like they have town motivation. And their vote also.

english? please? ):
I’m p sure it’s not my fault for not understanding the post this time. Reword it please


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:35 pm

Dash2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
ejjinami wrote:actually, do I know you? :/

probably not but I have seen your name before

how the heck? xD
I rarely even play here
but hey, it's not like I'll complain or anything :Praise:

By chance do you play on MU or MS?

a bit on MS... I don't remember playing with you there though


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Catching up .

My First comment about Flake / Dash ( pg 8-9 )
First , Let's look from Dash PoV .
#3167530
#3167545
#3167552
Especially Last post is important for me , Dash not losing track of town PoV . 2 Player is attacking them , Dash is raged ( or at some other emotion , 2nd post Show that to me )
So , Even though Dash is A Player who can fool me, I want to share my town lean .
Flake ^Seth , I Dont think they Will organize Like This as scum team , so even with caution , I would say not S^S here .
Especially with Flake following Seth rather Than Seth following Flake .
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

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NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby ejjinami » Mon May 13, 2019 2:36 pm

Dash2 wrote:Phone is town

Why?


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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:37 pm

Phone0Ix wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:reasoning being because entry was wolfy

tfios entries are always similarly wolfy

nai

That's not gonna change my view

read openings of tfios in almost any game and you will see similar irrespective of alignment

Dash2 wrote:
Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:
GrumpyGoomba wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Uzay is town honestly

Why do you think so? Just curious.

Because he's being how he always is as town, plus nothing strikes me as scummy.

can you be a bit more specific

No

/vote Dash2

Lol now that's a bad vote. Dash's intentions to make posts like that feel like they have town motivation. And their vote also.

By bad , Do You mean " bad play " or " not townie " ?
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:39 pm

Chemist1422 wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Phone is town

I agree

I wont be sure as " town" , but they Gave V vibe to me from early game.
As I remember he was More stressful and unnatural as scum , which Dont Match for now.
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:52 pm

Rickdaily12 wrote:Alright, so the thing I was supposed to do today got pushed to tomorrow, so I have quite a bit of free time today.

Rickdaily12 wrote:By the way, everyone, what do we think about the tactic of trying to avoid lynching the SK? I'm a bit torn thinking over what exactly our approach this game should be.

Like, because of the whole situation with the switches and all of the WIFOM hell, it's probably really safe to assume that Night Plans this game on our end are going to be utterly useless. We ultimately have no control over any of the night actions that get sent and that end up working, as all of that utility ultimately gets negated by the scum. So really, like, I view this game as 11 cits versus a 3v1 scum faction. The only thing really going for us is that the SK will want the Mafia as dead as badly as we do and can screw with their abilities in a way that we can't. (Like really, I'm still pretty salty that we didn't end up getting more citizens or even a role that can flip switches too.)

So, because of this, we at least have an SK that can crosskill into Mafia, and screw with their switches for as long as the Mafia remain alive. Plus, as more Mafia die, we effectively get stronger over time, since this frees more of the PRs and basically undoes a vanillasizer on the PRs. But if we lynch the SK, Scum loses a KP, but then we almost basically guarantee Scum never cross killing into each other the moment SK dies, and that could be pretty devastating, especially if multiple PRs die before hitting ever hitting Mafia.

Is it also in the better interest of the SK if they try to help us get a few Cop checks to work? They can't outright murder the Town if Mafia remains at full power, so if they did everything in their power to help us find associations between mafia, it's in all of our benefit, right?

Basically I'm unsure how Town wins without us getting lucky on the Vig or without SK helping us kill at least one of the Mafia. Is anyone else familiar with this setup?

Bumping seeing as how only Uzay answered this. I do want to know how people think we should approach this game.

Speaking of Uzay, I like a lot of his posts so far, but one thing that did stick out at me was his progression on Flake seemed a little bit off. I remember reading and seeing how he called Flake's actions into question from Town and voted him, only to back off in the same page saying that the reaction to the vote felt townie. It felt a little insincere when I was looking at it.


(P-Edit when you accidentally make a post before your catchup post... lol D: )

(DOUBLE P-EDIT GOD DAMMIT DASH I WAS JUST ABOUT TO BITCH ABOUT THIS)


The main Issue was I saw claiming as anti-town , when Flake seems that as NAI , The vote went Because I thought From town PoV , It should be seen as anti-town regardless. Answer was good , he stays after their Word which I Like .
And I had no way for proving that is anti-town after Flake Show me Another perspective , from That perspective it could be very well creating WIFOM attempt , which reduce anti-townieness.
With This state , due it is not obvious If it is anti-town from their PoV or not , it would be not logical keeping The vote .
And Actually vote has A press aim,too , but Obviously I didnt Say that when voting .
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

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Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:55 pm

Dash2 wrote:Rick what are your thoughts on this attempted wagon on me

?
46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:56 pm

Flake wrote:
Dash2 wrote:Flake you're pushing a dead argument please move on

then don't reply if you think it's dead

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46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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Re: VFM 49: Day 1

Postby UzayAltay » Mon May 13, 2019 2:59 pm

46-46 Spoiler: Town Games(27-32)

NFM50,NFM51,NFM52,14D,14E, NFM54 ,14H (AF), 14G, NFM 55, NFM 56, 15C, NFM 57, NFM 58,15F,SFM45,16B, VFM36, 16D , SFM 47 , VFM38, NFM62 , 16G ,VFM 39, EpisodeXVII, 17B , 17C , VFM44 , 17D , 17F,18C,18D,18E,VFM55,VFM57,SFM64, 19C,VFM58,VFM59 ,19D,VFM60,SFM66,SFM67,VFM64,SFM70,VFM69,XX7,XX9, VFM71,VFM72, VFM73, VFM74, 21A,VFM75,VFM76,XX14,VFM77,XX16,VFM78,VFM79

Scum Games (19-14)

NFM 48 , NFM 49 , TFM 65 ,TFM 66 , Episode XV ,TFM68 ,VFM 34, NFM61 , VFM42 , SFM53, VFM43,17E,VFM49,SFM60,CFM19,VFM54, EpisodeXIX, SFM63, 19E, 19F ,VFM62 ,VFM63,XX3,VFM66,XX5,VFM67,XX6,SFM72,XX8,VFM70,XX10,SFM76,SFM80
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